I would be quite satisfied if it contained 100% of the Joyo Kanji. Being able to learn all the Kanji taught in Compulsory Japanese education would be a great “feature” addition to WK imo.
B3 Archive: Spoiler thread
The Puzzle That Brought Us Here
天国へ行きたかったら死から開始。
- AABQD010L76223CEGD72FI5DPBOJJMO+
- B51BIQPGS206HD
- 00LB269G
- D02315CPQAWDF0B~IL7KB1FG+A
注意!スペースも必要です。
Solution:
- Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar = eating
- Genki Textbook I = Turtle
- Workbook = unko
- Japanese the Spoken Language I = ???
Links to articles containing hidden content:
Choosing the Best Beginner Japanese Textbook For You
Book cipher using ISBN number, page number, and character numbers:
9784789014410 89 41 3 12 31 <-- "unko" (Genki 1 workbook) 9784789014403 209 1 24 29 41 50 84 <-- "Turtle" (Genki 1 textbook) 4883196038 36 2 10 45 130 4 55 1568363850 23 33 2 5 10 34 19 4889962344 50 4 33 8 13 434 4 9780300038347 168 19 1 6 5 5 5 10 9 <-- ???? (Japanese the Spoken Language, Part I) 0887275494 33 98 2 55 34 9 10 9780976998129 39 4 3 45 134 2 66 1880656906 43 99 3 24 55 16 9 4789004546 181 8 49 3 20 2 33 <-- "eating" (Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar)
How to Install Japanese Keyboard on Everything
Durt Durt! Hmm, not bad, you're on the right track!
Genki Textbook Review by Tofugu
Durt Durt! Almost!
A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar - The Tofugu Review
Durt Durt! Nice try!
Overview
This is just an overview, for more information, see the list of books.
Overview
Book | Status | Keyword | Confidence |
---|---|---|---|
Genki Workbook | Keyword found | unko | medium |
Genki I | Keyword found | Turtle | high |
Minna no Nihongo | No keyword found but japanese characters | 毎晩す強勉き | low |
Japanese for Busy People | Looking for a page image | ||
Japanese for Everyone | Keyword found | SboneS | middling |
Japanese: The Spoken Language | Keyword found (problematic clue) | egoooott | very low |
Adventures in Japanese | Image from pdf found, no keyword found | ||
Japanese from Zero! | Images found, no keyword found | ||
Japanese the Manga Way | Keyword found | umbros/ombros | middling |
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar | Keyword found | eating | high |
List of Books
List of the books with detailed information (book cipher, progress, …)
List of Books
Key
Book Name (publication date)
ISBN-13
(ISBN-10, included only if that’s how the Tofugu article identifies it)
Book cipher code
Genki Workbook (Mar 2011)
ISBN: 9784789014410
Page: 89
Characters: 41 3 12 31
Genki I (Feb 2011)
ISBN: 9784789014403
Page: 209
Characters: 1 24 29 41 50 84
Minna no Nihongo (2nd Ed)
ISBN-13: 9784883196036
ISBN-10: 4883196038
Page: 36
Characters: 2 10 45 130 4 55
Keyword
… not the foggiest. Page is all in Japanese
Citation: Link
Might be
毎晩す強勉き which looks like a scrambled 毎晩 勉強 すき
( (SPOILER EDITION) Descent of the Durtle into Madness - #126 by sumsum )
counting method still unsure
Japanese for Busy People (Nov 2011)
ISBN-13: 9781568363851
ISBN-10: 1568363850
Page: 23
Characters: 33 2 5 10 34 19
Keyword
Correct edition:
aosinw or iuemtn or ioHars
Degree of confidence: extremely low
Citation: Link
Wrong edition:
UIMITO or RUEMEU
Degree of confidence: Extremely low - wrong edition used, instructions unclear
Citation: Link
Japanese for Everyone (Jun 2008)
ISBN-13: 9784889962345
ISBN-10: 4889962344
Page: 50
Characters: 4 33 8 13 434 4
Japanese: The Spoken Language (Sep 1987)
ISBN: 9780300038347
Page: 168
Characters: 19 1 6 5 5 5 10 9
Keyword
egoooott
Degree of confidence: Very low. The three consecutive 5s make any solution problematic
Citation: Link
Adventures in Japanese (3rd Ed, Jun 2007)
ISBN: 9780887275494
ISBN-10: 0887275494
Page: 33
Characters: 98 2 55 34 9 10
Keyword
Citation: Link
Page image
Japanese from Zero! (Aug 2014)
ISBN: 9780976998129
Page: 39
Characters: 4 3 45 134 2 66
Keyword
Citation: Link
Page image
Apparently two different versions.
From seanblue:
From Amazon (with matching ISBN, but doesn’t seem to be the “Progressive Version” mentioned in the Tofugu article):
Japanese the Manga Way (Nov 2004)
ISBN-13: 9781880656907
ISBN-10: 1880656906
Page: 43
Characters: 99 3 24 55 16 9
Keyword
umbros/ombros depending whether you count the に
A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar
ISBN-13: 9784789004541
ISBN-10: 4789004546
Page: 181
Characters: 8 49 3 20 2 33
B3 Archive: notes
B3
Direct link
First Clue Solution
The number of strokes of each kanji are as follows:
Kanji | Strokes |
---|---|
六 | 4 |
乙 | 1 |
泣 | 8 |
競 | 20 |
薬 | 16 |
This very much looks like a date, i.e. April 18, 2016. |
There is one article posted on Tofugu on April 18, 2016.
This article has a background image, which has changed since the article was originally posted, and here is proof.
The only difference is some of the lines of text. The new portion is here:
天国へ行きたかったら死から開始。
- AABQD010L76223CEGD72FI5DPBOJJMO+
- B51BIQPGS206HD
- 00LB269G
- D02315CPQAWDF0B~IL7KB1FG+A
注意!スペースも必要です。
If I want to go to heaven I will start from death.
- ??
- ??
- ??
- ??
Caution! Space is also required.
On to the next clue…
Page contents
Oh. Hello there.
So, you figured out that simple Caeser Cipher?
I suppose Rome wasn’t built in a day, ha ha.
And the Shift JIS riddle?
Talk about dated!
But, this durtle won’t be so easy on you.
You see, I believe that this isn’t a place
for Disciples of the Crabigator.
You seek spiritual ascendence
through your Lessons and Reviews.
We seek physical descendence,
and that is the key
difference between you and I.
We’re just a different type from you.
Hearing that, do you still
seek to descend deeper into Durtle Heaven?
Very well, here is your next clue:
六乙泣競薬
Be warned, this is only the first step of many.
Come back to me only when you’ve collected
all four keywords.
Say them in the correct order
and I’ll let you through.
Kanji Details
Copied (with small changes) from this post by @ctmf
Data dump from WWWJDIC: (I don’t know how recent the data is, esp. frequency)
Attribute | 六 | 乙 | 泣 | 競 | 薬 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
WaniKani Level | 2 | 57 | 15 | 11 | 17 |
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 4F3B | 3235 | 3563 | 3625 | 4C74 |
Kuten code | 47-27 | 18-21 | 21-67 | 22-5 | 44-84 |
Shift-JIS code | 985a | 89b3 | 8b83 | 8ba3 | 96f2 |
Unicode | 516d | 4e59 | 6ce3 | 7af6 | 85ac |
Bushu (radical no.) | 8 | 5 | 85 | 117 | 140 |
Traditional radical | 12 | ||||
Grade | 1 | 8 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
Stroke Count | 4 | 1 | 8 | 20 | 16 |
Frequency ranking | 93 | 1841 | 1380 | 610 | 702 |
JLPT Level | N5 | N1 | N1 | N2 | N3 |
Classic Nelson | 283 | 260 | 2532 | 3364 | 4074 |
New Nelson | 371 | 56 | 3104 | 4244 | 5224 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 1965 | 3339 | 338 | 1847 | 2375 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 2461 | 4145 | 396 | 2322 | 3011 |
Halpern KLD Index | 1244 | 2104 | 253 | 1200 | 1539 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 1710 | 2849 | 300 | 1639 | 2100 |
Heisig index | 6 | 71 | 432 | 434 | 1736 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 6 | 75 | 463 | 465 | 1873 |
Gakken index | 20 | 1713 | 1192 | 609 | 541 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 61 | 2 | 590 | 2927 | 2568 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 8 | 1339 | 1049 | 464 | 323 |
Morohashi index | 1453 | 161 | 17309 | 25831 | 32188PX |
Morohashi vol.page | 2.0045 | 1.0354 | 6.1064 | 8.728 | 9.0964 |
Henshall index | 76 | 1041 | 838 | 463 | 398 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 8 | 983 | 1236 | 852 | 359 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 8 | 1017 | 1300 | 871 | 360 |
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index | 6 | 379 | 521 | ||
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 19 | 1030 | 678 | 789 | 247 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 6 | 479 | 487 | 420 | |
Tuttle kanji card | 24 | 1007 | 500 | 640 | 439 |
Crowley Index | 124 | ||||
Kanji in Context Index | 6 | 1908 | 252 | 1020 | 315 |
Japanese For Busy People Index | 1.A | 2.6 | |||
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 153 | 25 | 1171 | 1463 | 672 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 6 | 71 | 439 | 441 | 1752 |
SKIP code | 2/2/02 | 4/1/01 | 1/3/05 | 1/10/10 | 2/3/13 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 2j2.2 | 0a1.5 | 3a5.1 | 5b15.1 | 3k13.15 |
Four Corner code | 80 | 1771 | 3011.8 | 21.6 | 4490.4 |
De Roo code | 461 | 3556 | 373 | 457 | 1964 |
Pinyin reading(s) | liu4 lu4 | yi3 | qi4 | jing4 | yao4 |
Korean reading(s) | ryug | eul | eub | gyeong | yag |
ON reading(s) | ロク リク | オツ イツ | キュウ | キョウ ケイ | ヤク |
KUN reading(s) | む む.つ むっ.つ むい | おと- きのと | な.く | きそ.う せ.る くら.べる | くすり |
Nanori reading(s) | く むつ ろっ ろつ | かい わたなべ | み | ||
English meanings | six | the latter; duplicate; strange; witty; fishhook radical (no. 5) | cry; weep; moan | emulate; compete with; bid; sell at auction; bout; contest; race | medicine; chemical; enamel; gunpowder; benefit |
Mis-classification code | SP4-2-1 | PP2-10-10 | |||
Cross-reference code | J0693B |
Detailed Analysis
This is a breakdown of the entire text passage, section by section feel free to edit and contribute your own analysis/observations to each section
Oh. Hello there.
So, you figured out that simple Caeser Cipher?
I’m curious as to why mention the previous puzzles at all.
Keywords;
Simple, Caeser
I suppose Rome wasn’t built in a day, ha ha
If the cipher was simple, why is this Durtle using an idiom that is usually reserved for one taking their time? The first reference to something old, ancient or back in time.
Keywords;
Rome
Rome wasn't built in a day - Wikipedia
Specifically, this is an adage
Proverb - Wikipedia
The fact an adage is used and is something that is often “concise, memorable, and usually philosophical” and often uses memetic reptition supports the idea that part of the solution could be Yojijukugo
Yojijukugo - Wikipedia
A song by Morcheeba is also the first thing to appear when searching this adage on google. doubtful it’s related, but I’ll include everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLGJXbl6g8o
.
And the Shift JIS riddle?
Talk about dated!
Another reference to age, time. Didn’t one person call this a Jiddle instead of a riddle? could be something there. The difference between J and R is 8 characters.
Keyword;
Dated
dated
/ˈdeɪtɪd/
adjective
adjective: dated
-
- marked with a date.
“a signed and dated painting”
-
- old-fashioned.
“a dated expression”
But, this durtle won’t be so easy on you.
F*ck you the last one was hard
You see, I believe that this isn’t a place
for Disciples of the Crabigator.
Telling us to look away from Wanikani? Maybe look at other popular learning resources. Disciples is capitalized here.
Keywords;
Disciples
You seek spiritual ascendence
through your Lessons and Reviews.
Ascendence could mean anything. Levels, knowledge, fluency. Lessons and Reviews are capitalized.
Keywords
Spiritual, ascendence, Lessons, Reviews.
We seek physical descendence,
and that is the key
difference between you and I.
Not sure how to split this one. There is a weird line break after ‘key’, suggesting the difference between “You” and “I”, or Ascendence and Descendence is a key to the puzzle
Keywords;
descendence, you, I
Descendence could be a clue, physical descendants could mean something that is physically derived/descendent from something else. Most people have a theory that this is something to do with the history of Kanji, the myth of Cangjie or the etymology of the Kanji provided.
Ascending and Descending is also a famous picture by M.C Escher.
Ascending and Descending - Wikipedia
We’re just a different type from you.
Keywords;
Type, different
Once again emphasizes difference. A different type could mean a different type setting, a different type of Kanji, different Japanese symbols, a different type of anything really. Here are a few resources.
Typesetting - Wikipedia
List of Japanese typographic symbols - Wikipedia
Japanese Braille - Wikipedia
Hearing that, do you still
seek to descend deeper into Durtle Heaven?
Another weird line break here. Also, yes, of course, we freaking do! More capitalized letters.
Keywords;
Hearing, seek, descend, deeper, Durtle, Heaven
Including this simply because ‘hearing’ was used, surprisingly it’s a Tofugo article, and the first hit for “deaf in Japan”
Japanese Sign Language and Being Deaf in Japan
Very well, here is your next clue:
六乙泣競薬
Full analysis has been carried out on the Kanji in other posts.
Most noticeably there ar 5 Kanji, however, our solutions requires 4 Keywords
Be warned, this is only the first step of many.
What is the first step? There is a popular saying " A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step", strengthening the idea that we could need to look at popular sayings or phrases.
Keywords;
Be, warned, first step, step
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step - Wikipedia
Come back to me only when you’ve collected
all four keywords.
Another weird line break, most notably telling us that we need 4 keywords to solve the puzzle, which supports the idea of the answer being related to Yojijukugo.
Keywords;
Four, Keywords, collected
Say them in the correct order
and I’ll let you through.
Another odd line break, Scrap that, realised it wasn’t so odd making 3 odd line breaks in this text that I noticed. Also suggests we will need to re-order any four key-words we find. This makes a total of 24 possible permutations.
References
References
Wanikani info
Based on @Masayoshiro’s post 2892 and @rfindley’s post 2993 and @javasparrow’s post 3196
六 - Six
Alternate: –
Parts: Lid, Fins
On: ろく
Kun: む
Level: 2
Strokes: 4
Meaning Mnemonic
Just imagine a beast with a lid for a head and fins for feet, running around looking as insane as possible (really imagine it!). When it runs up to you, it shows you the top of its lid-head. On it is written the numbers 666. Why? Because it’s a spawn of the devil, and the number six is the devil’s number.
Imagine this beast doing various crazy things, the crazier the better (to help you remember). Make sure all these things are associated with the devil and the devil’s number (six), so you can remember the meaning of this kanji.
Reading Mnemonic
Whenever we need to remember the reading ろく we just use the word rock.
So, think about the devil and the devil’s number. What is often associated with those things? Why, rock (ろく) and roll is. Imagine the lid-head fin-legged beast suddenly blasting out rock music in the middle of his destructive mayhem.
Sing along with the monster, if it helps you to remember the reading of this kanji.
Vocab
Level, link, and primary meaning:
2 - 六月 (ろくがつ) June
2 - 六 (ろく) Six
2 - 十六 (じゅうろく) Sixteen
2 - 六日 (むいか) Sixth Day
2 - 六つ (むっつ) Six Things
乙 - Latter
Alternate: B
Parts: Nose
On: おつ, いつ
Kun: おと, きのと
Level: 57
Strokes: 1
Meaning Mnemonic
Your nose isn’t the first thing people see about your face, it’s the latter. They see your eyes THEN your nose, then your mouth, in order going down. Just label them A B and C and you’ll never forget!
Imagine saying A B C as you look down someones face at their eyes, nose and mouth. Their nose is B!
Reading Mnemonic
If you don’t have any cereal you have to eat your B breakfast option. Oats (おつ). You don’t hate oats, but they’re definitely not your first choice.
Imagine running out of cereal so you have to eat your latter option of breakfast oats. They aren’t awful but they aren’t your A breakfast choice, that’s for sure.
Vocab
Level, link, and primary meaning:
57 - 甲乙 (こうおつ) A And B
57 - 乙 (おつ) Second
59 - 早乙女 (さおとめ) Rice Planting Girl
泣 - Cry
Alternate: –
Parts: Stand, Tsunami
On: きゅう
Kun: な
Level: 15
Strokes: 8
Meaning Mnemonic
If you stand in front of a tsunami, you’re going to cry. That tsunami is going to hit you hard, and rip you right off the ground on which you stand. And then you’ll cry like a little baby.
Imagine getting hit with the full force of a tsunami. It slams into you and crushes every bone in your body. It hurts so much you cry.
Reading Mnemonic
You know what else can make you cry? A Nazi (な). Nazis are mean, mean people, much worse than tsunamis. Nazis are bad news. Imagine a Nazi surfboarding on top of that tsunami that just hit you and made you cry. I imagine there’s nothing worse in this world than that.
Picture this mean Nazi riding toward you atop of this tsunami wave. Hear him screaming, “Heil!” just before the tsunami wave crashes over you. Rotten Nazi.
Vocab
Level, link, and primary meaning:
15 - 泣く (なく) To Cry
17 - 泣き虫 (なきむし) Crybaby
17 - 泣き声 (なきごえ) Crying
競 - Compete
Alternate: –
Parts: Older Brother, Stand
On: きょう
Kun: きそ
Level: 11
Strokes: 20
Meaning Mnemonic
Standing next to your older brother is another standing older brother of yours. They’re trying to compete, to see which of them can stand the straightest and tallest.
Picture your two older brothers competing like this. Are you going to root for one of them? That’s not very nice, you shouldn’t have a favorite older brother.
Reading Mnemonic
Your older brothers are trying to compete to see which of them gets to go to きょうと with you. You won a free trip to きょうと, but there’s only one other ticket, so now your brothers are competing for you.
Look really closely at your older brothers. They’re competing pretty hard for your attention. They really want to go to きょうと… but which one do YOU want to spend time with the most?
Vocab
Level, link, and primary meaning:
11 - 競争 (きょうそう) Competition
11 - 競う (きそう) To Compete
53 - 競艇 (きょうてい) Boat Race
薬 - Medicine
Alternate: drug, drugs
Parts: Flowers, Comfort
On: やく
Kun: くすり
Level: 17
Strokes: 16
Meaning Mnemonic
Flowers can be used for comfort, but also for medicine. Sure, it’s a comfort to smell flowers because they smell nice, but one can also use them as medicine to heal people.
Imagine having some medicine that smells and tastes like fresh cut flowers. Smell the smell in your nose and taste the taste on your tongue.
Reading Mnemonic
The best way to transport all the medicine on land is with a yak (やく). Yaks are big, strong, and very capable of transporting flower medicine like these.
Picture a yak in your mind. Pretend you are riding atop the yak as it transports this medicine. Feel the fur of the yak in your hands as you cling on for dear life.
Vocab
Level, link, and primary meaning:
17 - 薬用 (やくよう) Medicinal
17 - 薬 (くすり) Medicine
17 - 薬物 (やくぶつ) Medicines
17 - 薬方 (やくほう) Prescription
17 - 薬学 (やくがく) Study Of Pharmacy
28 - 妙薬 (みょうやく) Wonder Drug
29 - 眠り薬 (ねむりぐすり) Sleeping Pills
29 - 睡眠薬 (すいみんやく) Sleeping Pills
40 - 薬剤 (やくざい) Medicine
40 - 薬剤師 (やくざいし) Pharmacist
Jisho info
六
Link: 六 #kanji - Jisho.org
Meaning: six
乙
Link: 乙 #kanji - Jisho.org
Meaning: the latter, duplicate, strange, witty, fishhook radical (no. 5)
泣
Link: 泣 #kanji - Jisho.org
Meaning: cry, weep, moan
競
Link: 競 #kanji - Jisho.org
Meaning: emulate, compete with, bid, sell at auction, bout, contest, race
薬
Link: 薬 #kanji - Jisho.org
Meaning: medicine, chemical, enamel, gunpowder, benefit
wwwjdic info
六 | |
---|---|
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 4F3B |
Kuten code | 47-27 |
Shift-JIS code | 985a |
Unicode | 516d |
Bushu (radical no.) | 8 |
Traditional radical | 12 |
Grade | 1 |
Stroke Count | 4 |
Frequency ranking | 93 |
JLPT Level | 4 |
Classic Nelson | 283 |
New Nelson | 371 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 1965 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 2461 |
Halpern KLD Index | 1244 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 1710 |
Heisig index | 6 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 6 |
Gakken index | 20 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 61 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 8 |
Morohashi index | 1453 |
Morohashi vol.page | 2.0045 |
Henshall index | 76 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 8 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 8 |
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index | 6 |
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 19 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 6 |
Tuttle kanji card | 24 |
Crowley Index | 124 |
Kanji in Context Index | 6 |
Japanese For Busy People Index | 1.A |
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 153 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 6 |
SKIP code | 2-2-2 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 2j2.2 |
Four Corner code | 0080.0 |
De Roo code | 461 |
Pinyin reading(s) | liu4 lu4 |
Korean reading(s) | ryug |
ON reading(s) | ロク リク |
KUN reading(s) | む む.つ むっ.つ むい |
Nanori reading(s) | く むつ ろっ ろつ |
English meanings | six |
乙 | |
---|---|
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 3235 |
Kuten code | 18-21 |
Shift-JIS code | 89b3 |
Unicode | 4e59 |
Bushu (radical no.) | 5 |
Grade | 8 |
Stroke Count | 1 |
Frequency ranking | 1841 |
JLPT Level | 1 |
Classic Nelson | 260 |
New Nelson | 56 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 3339 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 4145 |
Halpern KLD Index | 2104 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 2849 |
Heisig index | 71 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 75 |
Gakken index | 1713 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 2 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 1339 |
Morohashi index | 161 |
Morohashi vol.page | 1.0354 |
Henshall index | 1041 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 983 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 1017 |
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 1030 |
Tuttle kanji card | 1007 |
Kanji in Context Index | 1908 |
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 25 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 71 |
SKIP code | 4-1-1 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 0a1.5 |
Four Corner code | 1771.0 |
De Roo code | 3556 |
Mis-classification code | SP4-2-1 |
Pinyin reading(s) | yi3 |
Korean reading(s) | eul |
ON reading(s) | オツ イツ |
KUN reading(s) | おと- きのと |
English meanings | the latter; duplicate; strange; witty; fishhook radical (no. 5) |
泣 | |
---|---|
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 3563 |
Kuten code | 21-67 |
Shift-JIS code | 8b83 |
Unicode | 6ce3 |
Bushu (radical no.) | 85 |
Grade | 4 |
Stroke Count | 8 |
Frequency ranking | 1380 |
JLPT Level | 2 |
Classic Nelson | 2532 |
New Nelson | 3104 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 338 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 396 |
Halpern KLD Index | 253 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 300 |
Heisig index | 432 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 463 |
Gakken index | 1192 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 590 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 1049 |
Morohashi index | 17309 |
Morohashi vol.page | 6.1064 |
Henshall index | 838 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 1236 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 1300 |
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 678 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 479 |
Tuttle kanji card | 500 |
Kanji in Context Index | 252 |
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 1171 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 439 |
SKIP code | 1-3-5 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 3a5.1 |
Four Corner code | 3011.8 |
De Roo code | 373 |
Pinyin reading(s) | qi4 |
Korean reading(s) | eub |
ON reading(s) | キュウ |
KUN reading(s) | な.く |
English meanings | cry; weep; moan |
競 | |
---|---|
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 3625 |
Kuten code | 22-5 |
Shift-JIS code | 8ba3 |
Unicode | 7af6 |
Bushu (radical no.) | 117 |
Grade | 4 |
Stroke Count | 20 |
Frequency ranking | 610 |
JLPT Level | 2 |
Classic Nelson | 3364 |
New Nelson | 4244 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 1847 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 2322 |
Halpern KLD Index | 1200 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 1639 |
Heisig index | 434 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 465 |
Gakken index | 609 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 2927 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 464 |
Morohashi index | 25831 |
Morohashi vol.page | 8.7280 |
Henshall index | 463 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 852 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 871 |
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index | 379 |
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 789 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 487 |
Tuttle kanji card | 640 |
Kanji in Context Index | 1020 |
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 1463 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 441 |
SKIP code | 1-10-10 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 5b15.1 |
Four Corner code | 0021.6 |
De Roo code | 457 |
Mis-classification code | PP2-10-10 |
Pinyin reading(s) | jing4 |
Korean reading(s) | gyeong |
ON reading(s) | キョウ ケイ |
KUN reading(s) | きそ.う せ.る くら.べる |
Nanori reading(s) | かい わたなべ |
English meanings | emulate; compete with; bid; sell at auction; bout; contest; race |
薬 | |
---|---|
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 4C74 |
Kuten code | 44-84 |
Shift-JIS code | 96f2 |
Unicode | 85ac |
Bushu (radical no.) | 140 |
Grade | 3 |
Stroke Count | 16 |
Cross-reference code | J0693B |
Frequency ranking | 702 |
JLPT Level | 3 |
Classic Nelson | 4074 |
New Nelson | 5224 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 2375 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 3011 |
Halpern KLD Index | 1539 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 2100 |
Heisig index | 1736 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 1873 |
Gakken index | 541 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 2568 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 323 |
Morohashi index | 32188PX |
Morohashi vol.page | 9.0964 |
Henshall index | 398 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 359 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 360 |
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index | 521 |
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 247 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 420 |
Tuttle kanji card | 439 |
Kanji in Context Index | 315 |
Japanese For Busy People Index | 2.6 |
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 672 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 1752 |
SKIP code | 2-3-13 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 3k13.15 |
Four Corner code | 4490.4 |
De Roo code | 1964 |
Pinyin reading(s) | yao4 |
Korean reading(s) | yag |
ON reading(s) | ヤク |
KUN reading(s) | くすり |
Nanori reading(s) | み |
English meanings | medicine; chemical; enamel; gunpowder; benefit |
Notes
Note that the post 2823 solved B2, no post before this is related to B3
Notes
Attributes of the 5 kanji comparison
Attribute | 六 | 乙 | 泣 | 競 | 薬 |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
WaniKani Level | 2 | 57 | 15 | 11 | 17 |
ON reading(s) | ロク リク | オツ イツ | キュウ | キョウ ケイ | ヤク |
KUN reading(s) | む む.つ むっ.つ むい | おと- きのと | な.く | きそ.う せ.る くら.べる | くすり |
Nanori reading(s) | く むつ ろっ ろつ | かい わたなべ | み | ||
English meanings | six | the latter; duplicate; strange; witty; fishhook radical (no. 5) | cry; weep; moan | emulate; compete with; bid; sell at auction; bout; contest; race | medicine; chemical; enamel; gunpowder; benefit |
Cangjie | YC | NU | EYT | YUYTU | TIOD |
JIS code (JIS X 0208) | 4F3B | 3235 | 3563 | 3625 | 4C74 |
Kuten code | 47-27 | 18-21 | 21-67 | 22-5 | 44-84 |
Shift-JIS code | 985a | 89b3 | 8b83 | 8ba3 | 96f2 |
Unicode | 516d | 4e59 | 6ce3 | 7af6 | 85ac |
Bushu (radical no.) | 8 亠 | 5 乙 | 85 水 | 117 立 | 140 艸 |
WK Radicals | Six | Nose | Tsunami, Stand | Stand, Older Brother | Flowers, Comfort |
Traditional radical | 12 | ||||
Grade | 1 | 8 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
Stroke Count | 4 | 1 | 8 | 20 | 16 |
Frequency ranking | 93 | 1841 | 1380 | 610 | 702 |
JLPT Level | N5 | N1 | N1 | N2 | N3 |
Classic Nelson | 283 | 260 | 2532 | 3364 | 4074 |
New Nelson | 371 | 56 | 3104 | 4244 | 5224 |
Halpern NJECD Index | 1965 | 3339 | 338 | 1847 | 2375 |
Halpern Kodansha Kanji Dictionary Index | 2461 | 4145 | 396 | 2322 | 3011 |
Halpern KLD Index | 1244 | 2104 | 253 | 1200 | 1539 |
Halpern KLD (2nd edition) Index | 1710 | 2849 | 300 | 1639 | 2100 |
Heisig index | 6 | 71 | 432 | 434 | 1736 |
Heisig index (6th Ed.) | 6 | 75 | 463 | 465 | 1873 |
Gakken index | 20 | 1713 | 1192 | 609 | 541 |
O’Neill (Japanese Names) index | 61 | 2 | 590 | 2927 | 2568 |
O’Neill’s Essential Kanji Index | 8 | 1339 | 1049 | 464 | 323 |
Morohashi index | 1453 | 161 | 17309 | 25831 | 32188PX |
Morohashi vol.page | 2.0045 | 1.0354 | 6.1064 | 8.728 | 9.0964 |
Henshall index | 76 | 1041 | 838 | 463 | 398 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji index | 8 | 983 | 1236 | 852 | 359 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kana & Kanji (2011 ed.) index | 8 | 1017 | 1300 | 871 | 360 |
R&W Japanese 1st ed. (Sakade) Index | 6 | 379 | 521 | ||
Japanese Kanji Flashcards, Series 1 (White Rabbit Press) | 19 | 1030 | 678 | 789 | 247 |
R&W Japanese 3rd ed. (Henshall) Index | 6 | 479 | 487 | 420 | |
Tuttle kanji card | 24 | 1007 | 500 | 640 | 439 |
Crowley Index | 124 | ||||
Kanji in Context Index | 6 | 1908 | 252 | 1020 | 315 |
Japanese For Busy People Index | 1.A | 2.6 | |||
Kodansha Compact Kanji Guide Index | 153 | 25 | 1171 | 1463 | 672 |
Maniette’s “Les Kanjis dans la tête” Index | 6 | 71 | 439 | 441 | 1752 |
SKIP code | 2/2/02 | 4/1/01 | 1/3/05 | 1/10/10 | 2/3/13 |
Spahn & Hadamitzky’s Kanji Dictionary descriptor | 2j2.2 | 0a1.5 | 3a5.1 | 5b15.1 | 3k13.15 |
Four Corner code | 80 | 1771 | 3011.8 | 21.6 | 4490.4 |
De Roo code | 461 | 3556 | 373 | 457 | 1964 |
Pinyin reading(s) | liu4 lu4 | yi3 | qi4 | jing4 | yao4 |
Korean reading(s) | ryug | eul | eub | gyeong | yag |
Mis-classification code | SP4-2-1 | PP2-10-10 | |||
Cross-reference code | J0693B |
[Descent of the Durtle into eGoooott - NOW AT B8! - #2935 by ctmf](List of radicals in the clue Kanji, sorted in ascending order)
[Descent of the Durtle into eGoooott - NOW AT B8! - #2966 by ctmf](Order of combinations to brute-force a 4-word (or 4-letter) solution)
[Descent of the Durtle into eGoooott - NOW AT B8! - #3139 by matthieuesnault](Summary of ideas from the first day of B3 guessing (12/29 - 12/30))
“Help” from Koichi - responses to questons
(all included in case he said something significant nobody noticed)
List of responses
Concept ideas
Concepts
Cangjie inpjut
Theory
Every hint seems to point towards looking at the past of Kanji and turning away from WK
You see, I believe that this isn’t a place
for Disciples of the Crabigator.
The earliest point of Origin for written Kanji, after Bone Script was Cangjie, a legendary figure that had four eyes there are 4 keywords in the hint and eight irises.
When trying to derive a writing system, a phoenix dropped an object at his foot with a hoofprint of a Pixiu, which became the inspriation for Kanji.
This mirrors the hint
You seek spiritual ascendence
through your Lessons and Reviews.
We seek physical descendence
Whilst Cangjie sough enlightenment, something physical dropped before his feet from the sky.
Why is this important? Well, Cangjie has an input method named after him! Considering the previous clue used shift-JIS, I think this input method is a good starting point. It also tends to use up to 4 keys to input characters.
Cangjie input
The Cangjie input method ( Tsang-chieh input method , sometimes also Changjie , Cang Jie , or Changjei [1]) is a system by which Chinese characters may be entered into a computer using a standard keyboard. Invented in 1976 by Chu Bong-Foo, the method is named after Cangjie (Tsang-chieh), the mythological inventor of the Chinese writing system; the name was suggested by Chiang Wei-kuo, then Defence Minister of Taiwan. Although the input method was initially based upon traditional Chinese characters, it has since been revamped so that Cangjie and the simplified Chinese character set can interact.
Considering the previous clue used shift-JIS, I think this input method is a good starting point. It also tends to use up to 4 keys to input characters.
Cangjie codes
The key words “you” and “I” show up quite a lot in the text
seek physical descendence,
that is the key
difference between you and I
So the following theory was put forward to use this as a subtraction cipher to subtract the keys y,u,i and possibly o from the Cangjie codes using the keywords “descend” and “difference” to support this logic.
Unfortunately these codes are very non-specific, and give many other possible kanji ‘C’ gives over 50 possible kanji, so I have simply tabulated the first options given. We need to do something else to these codes to narrow down which kanji we should actually be focusing on
Alternatively, this was an interesting development;
Tools
Keyboard
A virtual Cangjie input keyboard can be found here to test your solutions - Cangjie keyboard
Yojijukugo
Theory
Come back to me only when you’ve collected
all four keywords.
Yojijukugo is a Japanese expression consisting of four kanji, which could be linked to the four keywords.
It could be the last step of the riddle if we can go from 4 kanjis to an english expression.
The hint also uses some famous sayings (Rome built in a day, talk about dated, …) that can lead to Yojijukugo.
See these articles for examples of Yojijukugo, or further explanation.
Tofugu article
Wikipedia article
Against this theory, the hint seems to suggest we’re looking for four separate words to then need to assemble into the right order.
Attempts
Tools
https://yoji.jitenon.jp/ A Yojijukugo lookup dictionary (all in Japanese)
I must have said something useful one time, because I keep getting notified every time someone makes an archive post.
eGoooott everyone!
You’ve done well to join me here. I know it’s been a tough journey and I thought a lot about catching every single one of you on fire, but here we all are–together and unburnt and the best of friends.
Anyhoo, I’ve been here for a while now and have come to the conclusion that we just have to chill out. Take a break. Wait for the clues to come to us, you know? Like, relax and don’t worry about it. Make a poll or two. Watch some TV. Nothing we do now will help. Just let the clues wash over you instead of washing over the clues.
Do you hear that sound though? It makes me a bit nervous. I wonder what’s coming our way…?
Maybe, Levels 61 - 70 coming soon???
In your dreams, you durty TehGeer. ho ho ho! Down down I go.
Someone stop him! This man belongs in Durtle Jail, or as we call it: “jail.”
Don’t listen to them, it’s all a trap.
Aghh. It hurts so much
What is happening
I feel like I’m watching Koichi burn and there is nothing I can do about it!
Nooooooooooo!!!
Well done everybody! We were able to burn the criminal. Now we just wait three days, and he will surely rise again.
not sure, but i’m with the durtles
A round of high fives for a job well done!
eGoooott!
Business as usual. Reminds me of one or the latest Tofugu podcasts.
I mean, it is the descent of Durtle into Madness
And a century to grow the trees to use for the lumber to build all the tables we’ll have to flip along the way…
The take-home message I’m getting here is “there’s literally nothing to do here right now, so don’t bother”.
Wonder if that means we’re not gonna get an actual hint at 6000…
You misspelt “oh well”. Also, we haven’t seen you in 1700 posts, but here you are getting involved in the hints. Are you part of the conspiracy?