Dear WaniKani speed demons and level 60s, how do/did you do it?

do radicals and kanji first. doing reviews on time is critical. if you do your lessons at the same time every day, and do all reviews 4 hours, then 8 hours later, you can get 7 day level ups without waking up at odd hours.

also, other than doing radicals right away, kanji lessons can be spread over a few days, as long as you finish them before you guru the radicals, and you wont affect your level up time. spread out your vocab lessons so the reviews are also spread out

Oh, if you’ve an Android phone, you can use Firefox to install scripts on the go. You should be mindful about how many you install though as it can lag a bit, but for the absolute must scripts, it gets the job done!

Thanks for the Tipp, but not on Android here haha

But as of right now, I don’t have a need for the reorder script because I have an average of 6 days and 21 hours :slight_smile:

Getting the mnemonics in your head is the most I’m portant part and helps a los, so review them often!

To expand on this, I found doing about 20 vocabulary lessons a day worked well for most levels.

I manage this without scripts. It gets a little intense sometimes, but the process is essentially:

  1. Learn the radicals and wait maybe 1 day.
  2. Learn 10 to 15 kanji and wait another day.
  3. Learn the rest of the level’s initial kanji set.
  4. Learn the kanji unlocked by leveling the radicals to Guru. Do this as soon as possible.
  5. Don’t slack on learning vocabulary as they become available.
  6. If possible, try to always hit the first review after learning (4 hours I think).

Doing the above, you’ll generally keep at about 7.5 to 8.5 days a level.

The waiting periods serve a couple of purposes for me. First, it lets me get some of the newer vocabulary words close to (or to) Guru level. Second, as long as I do not skip review days, it helps space out new vocabulary words. I will say that once you get the last few kanji to Guru and move to the next level, many times, you’ll end up with a large number of vocabulary to learn. You can adjust your settings to get around this, but I usually try to power through it even though it causes a review spike for day or two.

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I would say the biggest thing that helps me that nobody’s mentioned yet is kaniwani. It really improves how much time it takes until the vocab sticks, which in turn frees up my attention for kanji.

Apart from that I use:

  • ultimate timeline to keep track of the time-sensitive radical and resulting kanji reviews
  • reorder to get radical lessons as soon as they’re available
  • reorder to prioritize apprentice reviews and leave burns for tomorrow when i feel overwhelmed (hafta guru stuff at a steady rate to keep apprentice below ~120)
  • keisei phonosemantics to learn like half the kanji readings for free (and/or to reinforce the less memorable mnemonics)

No ignore script as I find deciding whether or not to use ignore on kaniwani (which has it built-in) is already too much guilt/mental burden. Just take an extra second to check the time-sensitive review answers before pressing enter (and there’s room to mess up up to 3 times anyway).

Speaking of the time-sensitive kanji, my final trick is to do an extra review of those like 30 minutes after taking their lessons; just going on the lesson summary page and quizzing myself once really helps to nail the 4 hour review later.

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  1. How did I do it?
    Like probably many others have already said. I had a review schedule and did them as soon as they were up. I spent more time on the front end (lesson time) making sure that I knew the material so that I could have a higher accuracy rate. In other words, I made completing my levels a priority and being consistent about doing them.

  2. What scripts did I use?
    Reorder script, override script, ultimate timeline, jitai, lesson synonyms, and study quiz edition.

  3. What methods for memorization?
    Obviously association from mnemonics and regular contact with Japanese text. Specifically in situations when I learned new words (outside of WK), I made a habit of recording them so I could see how those words were written.

  4. How is it holding? Do I I have trouble?
    Since I’m maintaining regular contact with Japanese, my ability to retain has been amazing. There are times when I forget how to read certain words or solitary kanji, but that is usually due to not having enough regular exposure to it in my daily life. In such cases, I look up those words and review the reading/meaning of those items in question.

Do you have a Userscript for that? Or how do you incorporate this in your lessons?

I think it’s kind of nuts to want to go from 1 level a month to 1 a week. If you don’t have the willpower to dedicate all of your free time to japanese(or at least 90+ minutes a day) just do what you can. Remember that going quickly also means a hell of a lot of reviews a day, especially if you don’t have an extremely high retention rate.

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Not sure if this is what they’re using, but yes, there is a script for that.

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I have a consistent schedule of 7 days per level, meaning that I do the same level of reviews every week at the same time. Essentially: new kanji & radicals Sunday evening, new vocab Monday evening, second set of new kanji Thursday morning, second set of new vocab Friday morning and repeat :slight_smile:

Re-order (prioritize radicals + kanji over vocab since I do vocab a day later), override, WK lightning mode, quiz mode script. I guess I use ultimate timeline too, but it’s more for fun than anything. I have the same schedule every week so I don’t really need it.

Mostly echoing prior sentiments, but I focused on three things:

  1. Over 60% of Kanji are Keisei Moji (形声文字) meaning half the Kanji tells you the on’yomi and the other half vaguely represents the meaning. I ignore the meaning half, but the reading half saves a lot of time and effort remember a lot of Kanji readings. Note this mostly only works for on’yomis; if WK wants you to prioritize the kun’yomi you likely just have to memorize that
  2. Having very productive lesson times is key for me. When I learn Kanji, I immediately use the quiz mode script to test them 5x each. I also input them into an Anki deck where it prompts me with the reading and meaning, and I have to write out the Kanji. To escape “Learning” in this Anki deck I have to write out the Kanji 5 times further reinforcing my knowledge. Then completing the 4h and 8h reviews ASAP finalize the learning
  3. KaniWani is vital for me, and I take it further by writing out all the answers to KaniWani as opposed to typing. Recently I’ve been using Google Handwriting Input with a tablet+pen as a substitute to normal paper because it’s easier.
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I do WK every single day

I have the reorder script to prioritize radicals & kanji first for lessons to maximize level up times

As you progress through WK, you get better at learning Japanese – it’s not as much of a mental strain to learn all these new words

Plus, supplementing WK with real-world practice (i.e. conversing with Japanese people on HelloTalk), plus seeing kanji in the wild by reading helps reinforce it and make it more likely to stay in your long-term memory :slight_smile:

The site has this built in now, if you wish it. Do you still need an external reorder script? Does it do something else?

The built in feature has only two options: “ascending level then subject” and “random”, so previous-level vocab will come before the radicals.

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Well the site prioritizes the previous level’s vocab so you have to clear those before getting the radicals and then kanji for the current level

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It has three options:

Ascending level then subject,
Ascending level then random,
and Full Random.

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Ah, okay, I see. I actually like clearing the previous level first, but that’s not for everyone :slight_smile: I also go slow enough that ‘previous levels vocab’ is only about 10 items. (I would probably actually prefer an ordering that prioritizes vocab over kanji, so that I’m reinforcing the Kanji I just gurued, but I’ve never been Team Speed Demon)

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I’ve been doing about 8 days per level, with a few 7s in there and a couple 10s. I don’t use any scripts. I try to synchronize my level ups so I can do radical lessons as well as their 4 hour review in the same day. That way I can do their 8 hour review the next morning.

I do about 20-30 minutes of WK on the bus in the morning, about the same during lunch, and maybe 45 minutes at home. Since I work full time and have other hobbies, I only do about 1-5 hours of non-WK studying a week. My current goal is to reach level 30-ish so I can know enough basic kanji to read real material. Then I’m expecting to slow WK down a bit and focus more on other sources.

There are four “parts” to learn for each kanji: reading, meaning, radicals, and mnemonic. My goal when I first Guru a kanji is to have three of the four of those fully locked in. Then, I aggressively learn vocab to reinforce meaning (and reading when they match). When I can’t easily remember 3/4 pieces of a kanji, I look it up in Jisho to try to learn other details about it that can help me remember.

So it is. I’d never noticed.

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