Daisoujou's Study Log

@bakugames That is cool to know about, thank you! I’m definitely curious. The visual style is cute, too. Might be exactly what I’m looking for to get that actual experiential use to make them make more sense.

Yeah, that approach is fair enough. I just get bothered by how many of them are する verbs and the like, so there are conceivably situations where they’re really the crux of what’s being said, and not just flavoring like any English onomatopoeia. And it seems there’s kind of an expectation for Japanese learners to struggle with them, which at least means I’m not being uniquely bad at this, but at the same time, I think that gives me a bit of a desire to make sure I’m not just letting them pass me by.

I think ゆっくり is so common that most everyone learning Japanese gets that down early, but there’s a comprehensible japanese video for the Tortoise and the Hare that I watched early on where she repeats that word a few times to indicate the tortoise moving, and really stretches and elongates it to emphasize what the sound represents. From that moment, that word I kinda sorta had a tenuous grasp on just clicked perfectly in my head, so I was hoping maybe when I get the chance to dig around, I could find some similar examples of someone using them that helps lock them in.

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I try not to flood this topic too much, but today I just have one short, celebratory update. Thought about skipping it, but these two things occurred together, so let’s party:

Today I had my first burns on Wanikani, and in my sentence mining Anki deck, I added my 1000th card. I’m giving it my all :partying_face:

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And just like that, as a whim grabbed me, I think I’ve changed my plans. It’s good to follow whims I think. As long as you’re still learning, do whatever it is you want.

So the other day, I somehow stumbled upon a video of the (remake of the) original Ace Attorney trilogy. What I was really struck by is just how small the text boxes are / how large the font is. No doubt that’s due to their origin as GBA games. Regardless, this leads to short sentences, so I got curious, and there’s a Steam sale right now. Having started a little earlier today, I’m only a little ways into the first trail, but this is… kind of simple. Feels weird to say that. Sure I’m still looking loads of things up (texthooking appears impossible but Game2Text, if I tolerate some jankiness, works just well enough to be worth the trouble), but many of those are both words I shouldn’t expect to know and also will see many more times, like murder weapon, blunt object, prosecutor’s side, courtroom etc. I even get the joke with Yahari (Larry Butz).

So, I mined some words along the way, and I’m about to go play more. I’m sure some difficulties will arise – some entries in the court record are a little more troublesome, and I know there will be witnesses with tougher speaking styles, but I expected to claw my way through inch by inch, and instead found that I’m essentially properly reading, just with a dictionary close at hand. Helps that I know this game well, too; I adore the series. So, I guess this is how I’m going to primarily study for now, and I’ll kick Satori Reader out a little early. Couldn’t be happier about my progress.

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Jumping on something on a whim is how I ended up learning Japanese, joining the ABBC, and most recently reading かがみの孤城, so I definitely think it can be incredibly useful to follow them. It’s hard to judge when you’re actually ready to move to something that you think is more difficult so just trying it is probably the best way to find out and make sure you’re not just sticking to things that are too easy

I definitely need to give the Ace Attorney games a go at some point - they’ve been sitting on my Steam wishlist for ages now, but there’s so many other games to get to too. Maybe I’ll get them at some point to play in Japanese. Another game series I want to try in a somewhat similar vein is Zero Escape - especially because I enjoyed Danganronpa when I played those (in English). Those I do have sitting around my Steam library, though I imagine they’d be hard in Japanese for me at the moment. Guess there’s only one way to really find out haha

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Oh yeah, I highly recommend all of that. If you’ve never played Ace Attorney, you’re in for an excellent time. I still never got around to playing the one unreleased in English (Investigations 2) with the fan translation, so I’m really excited to give that a go some day! That one aside, and not counting the Great Ace Attorney cause I’m still working through it (in English, since my fiancée wants to read it alongside me), the original trilogy are the best ones, anyway. Ace Attorney was kind of my introduction to the whole visual novel concept, back when translating it to English was a bit of a novel experiment, and I had to go get a copy with a messed up case on Ebay because they didn’t distribute the original game too widely in America. I really love revisiting those days in a different way, now.

Zero Escape is also excellent. Those games go really wild with the twists, sometimes just ramping the absurdity as hard as they possible can, but they’re great fun.

Personally, Danganronpa is my favorite of any of these series; it’s one of my favorite game series period and I’m definitely going to try it sometime in its original language, but I didn’t want to deal with Japanese words rotating and zooming around during the trails yet, haha. Or Japanese word games, however those work.

If you try either series, I’m very excited to hear how it goes, both on the language front but also learning what you think about them. You have a lot ahead of you that I’d love to be able to experience for the first time like that.

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You know, I’ve always wanted to try playing a game in Japanese. Not sure why probably the spending money part I have yet to do so, but it definitely seems like something I could get some use out of. Especially like a VN type thing? Yeah.

Can’t say I’ve ever had much interest in Ace Attorney, but I have to admit, your progress definitely makes the idea intriguing… especially if there’s a sale… :eyes:

Studying Japanese is currently on the backburner for me for at least another week or so, but every time I see a post from you I just want to jump back into it. :joy: I’m glad you could find something both interesting and helpful for yourself!

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I think everyone, after they’ve comfortable with reading easier materials, should try out something in Japanese that they’ve read (played) in English before. For me, it was the Saint Tail manga (which I’d read in English, and seen the anime with English subtitles). Even if it’s been a while since you read the material, having that knowledge of what’s going on allows you to relax trying to figure out context, and focus your attention on the words. Chances are it’ll be easier to pick up on what some words mean.

Now if only Steam had Japanese versions for Clannad and Little Busters. I do have the former on Switch, but no text hooking there, so…

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They’re such good, silly fun! Very strong comedy writing for videogames, and the mysteries are interesting (after the first couple overly simple ones). They aren’t the kind where you wonder who did it most times, but the “how” is always very elusive and contrived in the best ways. The trilogy is currently something like $20US, but that’s a great deal for 3 games of pretty significant length. Language is just a menu option, so that’s nice. Highly recommend it, but I’ve been a fan for more than a decade so I’m pretty biased here, haha. Still, the lines are short, and with your kanji knowledge being beyond mine, I bet you’d do really well. Hope you find the time to get back into studying as much as you’d like soon! I’m always looking forward to seeing your progress; I deeply appreciated the encouragement when I needed it.

If you do want to seriously consider it, always good to take a little peek at the writing first.

It appears Clannad is indeed English only, but I have a bit of good news! Little Busters really is available in Japanese, despite being the one labelled “English Edition.” In fact, the language can be swapped with a single key press, and in quick tests, the Steam version I have seemed to behave well with text hooking, too!

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Well, I know what I’ll be playing at some point.

I currently can’t launch it in Linux, and if I run it in a virtualized Windows environment, the game starts without a window, making it unplayable. (But since it was still running, Steam thought I played it past the refund limit. This is from when I bought it a year or two ago.)

I’ll be building a new computer this week (my current one I built …maybe 2010?), and I expect Little Busters to absolutely be playable on it, whether under Linux or virtualized Windows. (I hope.)

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Oho, you’re on Linux? Cool. Wish I could fully switch over my computer to Linux as a main OS but Oculus doesn’t support it :frowning:

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Avoiding becoming Daisoujou's operating system log

Linux got me as a convert (thanks to my older brother) back around 2001 or so. Coming from Windows 98 and its constant crashes with every little thing, it wasn’t too hard to convert me!

My only use for Windows at home recently were 1) remoting in to work from home, which is no longer necessary since Citrix released a Linux client, and 2) removing DRM from my manga purchases so I can read them right from Linux. (I’d add some computer games such as Little Busters! if they would run on my setup, but alas…)

I do use Windows for work (XP, then 7, and now 10), and it’s definitely improved massively in the past 20 years!

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Just do it!!! Also listen to native content even if there is some ambuigity dont be shy

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There was a time, many years ago, when I was getting fed up with stuff you have to deal with from Windows and decided to try Linux… that didn’t last long, haha. Conceptually I like Linux but it’s too much work for me and I have too much of a desire for my computer to be able to play games or run specific programs that aren’t available on Linux, though I suppose the game situation has been getting better recently. It’s just exemplified in how it recently occurred to me that the only reason I know about any of my friends using Linux, is exclusively from instances of them telling me what they cannot do because they’re on it, haha.

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I use Linux on my laptop for university work (I am a computer science student after all) and for the purposes of programming etc, it’s pretty much a dream - way nicer environment to do that sort of thing than Windows in my opinion. Setting up a Japanese IME on it took a bit of work though, moreso than Windows which mostly just worked with relatively little setup. Now that I have that working though there aren’t really any major issues

Though that said there’s not really much reason to switch over from Windows if you’re not that bothered about doing more computer-science related things most likely. Windows is going to be more compatible and more supported as a whole for a variety of reasons, and as such it’s still a better system for people who need specific software (though like you say, the games thing is getting better with things like Proton)

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Yep, that makes sense. I know nothing at all about computer science; I’m really not in the niche to need or get a whole lot out of Linux. I can’t recall what it was in particular, I just know the only reason I ever looked that way was irritation at the things Windows forces on you or tries to prevent you from doing. The kind of stuff most people never think about, but I get neurotic enough to want to change. Hell, I’m still stubborn about UIs; I’ve been using classic shell for several versions of Windows now so that I don’t have to feel as much like I’m using, say, 10 :wink:

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