Thank you for finding that!
Sadly, I couldnโt find the mnemonic changing user script. But Iโll keep an eye out!
Thank you for finding that!
Sadly, I couldnโt find the mnemonic changing user script. But Iโll keep an eye out!
@rfindley, sorry to bother you, but have you ever thought about making a list of kanji readings that WK accepts, ordered by frequency? I think something like this would be very useful for people that donโt use WK mnemonics/want to always associate the same reading with just 1 concept (example: ใใ => Kouichi).
Ordered by which frequency?
I suppose if the purpose is to make your own mnemonic system with an emphasis on reusing associations, Iโd go with (1) above.
If I were building my own system from scratch (i.e. the โaccepted readingsโ arenโt determined yet), I think Iโd go with (3) above if thereโs one specific reading thatโs much more common, and (2) if there are several common readings to choose from.
Either way, any of the above would need a data source. The data source for (1) is this thread. I donโt know of a good data source for (2) or (3). Are you (or anyone) aware of one?
This is what Iโm looking for, but only from kanji. Because of this:
The idea is to have a list available of all onyomi and kunyomi readings that WK has as available answers for kanji reviews, in a decrease order of frequency. This way, people can just decide what to associate to each reading while they progress with Wanikani. Wanikani does this, but when applied to their own mnemonics. If the user wanted to use their own word to associate with the reading, theyโll have nowhere to โorganizeโ it.
How so? This is about moras, which is different than readings. I want ใใพ for ็ญ, not ใ + ใพ. Or am I not getting something?
Sorry if I wasnโt clear enough with my first post.
Ahh, right you are.
So, here are the readings sorted by number of occurrences in kanji. (Itโs not so easy to do the same for readings in vocab):
ใใใ
ใใ
ใ, ใใ
ใ
ใ
ใใ
ใจใ
ใใ
ใใ
ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใกใใ
ใใใ, ใใ
ใใ, ใปใ, ใผใ
ใใใ, ใฆใ, ใฏใ, ใฒ
ใ, ใใใ
ใใ, ใใ ใ, ใต
ใใ ใ, ใใ
ใใ, ใใ, ใใ
ใ
ใ
ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใฏ
ใใ, ใ
ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใจ, ใฉใ, ใฏใ, ใใ
ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ , ใใ ใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ
ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใค, ใ ใ, ใก, ใกใ ใ, ใฏใ, ใฒใใ, ใธใ, ใ
ใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใตใ, ใตใ, ใถ, ใ
ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใ, ใค, ใฆใ, ใป, ใใ, ใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ
ใใ, ใใค, ใ , ใ ใ, ใฆใ, ใจใ, ใญใ, ใฐใ, ใธใ, ใผ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ
ใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใกใ, ใฆใค, ใฉ, ใช, ใซใ, ใฎใ, ใฐใ, ใฐใ, ใณใใ, ใผใ, ใฟ, ใใ
ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ , ใชใ, ใซ, ใฎ, ใฐ, ใฒใ, ใณ, ใณใ, ใตใ, ใพ, ใพใ, ใพใค, ใพใ, ใฟใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใ
ใใค, ใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใพ, ใใ, ใกใ, ใจใค, ใซใ ใ, ใญ, ใฏใก, ใฐใค, ใฒใค, ใถใ, ในใ, ใปใ, ใผใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใ
ใใ, ใใ, ใใพ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใ, ใใช, ใใฟ, ใใค, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใจ, ใใ, ใใก, ใใฐ, ใใค, ใใใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ ใค, ใใใ, ใใฟ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใ ใ, ใกใค, ใกใ, ใคใ, ใคใ, ใงใ, ใจใ, ใฉใ, ใฉใ, ใชใ, ใชใค, ใฏใ, ใฏใ, ใฏใช, ใฏใ, ใฒใ, ใฒใ, ในใค, ใพใ, ใฟใค, ใฟใ, ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ
ใใใ, ใใ, ใใใคใ, ใใใญ, ใใ, ใใใผใฎ, ใใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใใพ, ใใคใ, ใใช, ใใซ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ , ใใก, ใใจ, ใใช, ใใฌ, ใใญ, ใใฐใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใง, ใใฐ, ใใ, ใใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใฉ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใฟ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใพใ, ใใซ, ใใฎ, ใใถ, ใใน, ใใพ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใก, ใใคใญ, ใใ, ใใ ใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใกใณใ, ใใณ, ใใพ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใจ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใพ, ใใ, ใใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใฎ, ใใพ, ใใ, ใใ ใค, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใ, ใใฐ, ใใพ, ใ, ใใค, ใใ, ใใฐ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใฆ, ใใช, ใใซ, ใใพ, ใใพใ, ใใพใใ, ใ ใค, ใ ใ, ใกใ, ใกใก, ใกใ, ใกใใ, ใกใ , ใกใใ, ใคใ, ใคใใ, ใคใ, ใคใฆ, ใคใช, ใคใผ, ใคใพ, ใคใ, ใคใ, ใฅ, ใฆ, ใฆใ, ใง, ใงใ, ใจใใ, ใจใ, ใจใก, ใจใฉ, ใจใ, ใชใ, ใชใ, ใชใ, ใชใซ, ใชใน, ใชใ, ใชใ, ใซใ, ใซใใ, ใซใ, ใซใก, ใซใใ, ใฌ, ใฌใพ, ใญใ, ใญใ, ใญใค, ใฎใพ, ใฎใ, ใฏใ, ใฏใ, ใฏใ, ใฏใใ, ใฏใ , ใฏใค, ใฏใจ, ใฏใญ, ใฏใฏ, ใฏใฐ, ใฏใพ, ใฏใใ, ใฏใใถใ, ใฏใ, ใฏใ, ใฒใ, ใฒใ, ใฒใ, ใฒใ ใ, ใฒใใ, ใฒใ, ใตใใ, ใตใ, ใตใค, ใตใช, ใตใญ, ใตใ, ใถใ, ใถใค, ใธใณ, ในใ, ใปใ, ใปใ, ใปใ, ใปใใ, ใปใ, ใผใค, ใพใใ, ใพใ, ใพใ, ใพใคใ, ใพใฉ, ใพใ, ใฟใ, ใฟใ, ใฟใใ, ใฟใ, ใฟใฉใ, ใฟใช, ใฟใฟ, ใฟใใ, ใฟใ, ใฟใใช, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใญ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใค, ใใค, ใใฉ, ใใฎ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใฟ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใณ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใฉ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใใ, ใใใ, ใใต, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใซ, ใใ, ใใ, ใใ
Yes, thank you so much! I wanted to write something about mnemonics on the Guide Iโm writing for people starting WK and I thought that a list like this could be very useful, mainly for people not using WK mnemonics. Can I add the list to it? (Of course, Iโll tag you as the one that collected the info).
Yeah, I think doing this for vocab is completely unnecessary It would be caos.
Sure, feel free to use it. No need to tag me, though.
โฆand this is why Iโm using my mora method, so I donโt have to come up with nearly 300 different mnemonics for readings that only occur once!
Thanks from me too for this list; it reinforces what Iโm doing by showing that all 47 of the 3+ mora readings only occur once, so I am being efficient by doing 1 & 2 mora mnemonics instead of reading mnemonics.
And how do you do mora mnemonics? Could you give me an example?
Belthazarโs on top of things! Thatโs a good example, especially as WK uses both โrackโ and โluckโ for ใใ.
As I wrote somewhere else in this thread, looking at the first 10 levels, I knew all 6 of the 3-mora readings as previously-ingrained vocabulary, so I am imagining that there will continue to be a strong overlap with the vocab for those readings.
Iโm not suggesting my method is perfect, as vocab will still be a challenge, but it does strike me as more effective for the kanji, which will perhaps lead to me having more time and energy to devote to vocabโฆ
Donโt worry, I donโt intend at all to โcriticizeโ your strategy, just understand it Of course, making mnemonics for all the readings that only appear once is a waste of energy. For those, the user would just do a mnemonic in case they end up having problems with the kanji. What Iโm trying to understand is which is the best method: moras vs readings. To be honest, Iโm feeling like at the end of the day, this would depend on the user preferences Well, thanks for helping out
The chinese scholars that created kanji originally created it with built in mnemonics to make it easier for themselves, so just look up characters in https://en.wiktionary.org and youโll get all the information you need, specifically the glyph origin section. It shows you the history of the character, and breaks it down to the semantic and phonetic sections and what each of those means!
For instance,the butcher radical actually means city (when itโs on the right side), so characters like ้ฝ, ้ก, ้ธ are more are self-explanatory. The other half of the character is the phonetic side, so ๅ, and ๆฐ show you how to pronounce it.
Another example, why does moon mean body part (่ธ, ่ณ, ่
, ่, ่
น, ่ etc)? If you go to Wiktionary youโll see that itโs actually the character for meat, not moon! It just got mixed up cuz of how similar it looks. But it being meat makes so much sense, that you donโt even need a mnemonic to tell you that itโs a body part anymore. The other half here again is just the phonetic component. So whatโs a body part (โบผ) thatโs pronounced ใตใ (ๅค) called? ่
น (stomach)! You just have to know that ๅค is fuku, but thatโs easy, and you can even do it without realizing it. After your first character that employs it (level 27) youโre set for the rest of your kanji journey (e.g. ๆ่คๅพฉ้ฆฅ่ฆ etc), so you only have to learn it once for it to auto-mnemonic for the rest of time.
Thereโs a neat script that shows you the phonetic composition just in case you missed it!
Another thing that I only discovered recently that I wish I knew before is: ็คป(็คบ) means god/altar which is why ็ฅ is composed of it. But ่กค actually means ่กฃ (clothes)! Which explains why ่ค means clothes. This is why Wiktionary is so essential to actually intuitively understading kanji!
All in all, make wiktionary your friend and you wonโt really need mnemonics anymore! (I still use mnemonics tho cuz they are helpful sometimes, but a lot of times itโs much easier and faster to just see the semantic-phonetic composition and be on my way to the next kanji)
EDIT: An easy way to see what a character is composed of without the need to check wiktionary is to add some seal or oracle script fonts to your Jitai. I did it and it is absolutely amazing! (Recommended fonts: A hanko seal script font, A handwritten seal script font, and an oracle bone font.) It WILL be confusing in the beginning, but after a bit youโll get used to it!
Sorry for taking so long to answer properly - Iโve been a bit under the weather. Until you asked for this data (thanks for doing so ), I didnโt really know where I stood with the 3+ mora readings, so I hadnโt had a chance to think about it.
It would be simple enough to extrapolate the mora method and use either (person/person/object) or (person/object/object) for these items. It becomes a bit clumsier for the 4 mora ones, but there are only a handful.
I wasnโt at all worried of criticism from you - youโre one of the most affable people here - I was concerned that I may have come off as sounding like I had the solution to WK mnemonics from what Iโd written previously , and just wanted to set things straight.
Thanks so much for all this info!
I do have both a kanji dictionary and Henshallโs Guide to Remembering Japanese Characters with etymological info for each character - I will be resetting soon with the intention of doing fewer lessons (12 instead of 21) more intensively each day, and what you have written has reinforced my intention to refer to these books while doing my lessons.
I do think I have the phonetic script you mentioned, and I will do my best to add the fonts you mentioned to Jitai (I may be back to ask questions!).
no problem
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