Beyond Sleepy’s (pillow fort?) study log

I’m terribly sorry, this is going to hurt a bit ^^. So what you see here is one part of polite language. You have different registers in japanese you can speek in. Depending on the definition up to 4 different registers. The important ones are Casual, Standard (mas/des) and Keigo. Here you see kenjougo which is a form of keigo you use to lower yourself compared to the person you are speaking to. Therefore you can only use it for your own actions and NEVER for actions of the person “higher” in rank than you.

For some verbs there are totally different verbs for kenjougo and sonkeigo (the form you use for the higher person). Other verbs just have rules how to conjugate them to arrive at keigo. As @ChristopherFritz correctly identified the “normal” form is 迷惑をかける to cause trouble. かける doesn’t have a special keigo form so to produce kenjougo you use the mas stem → かけ put an o in front and a shimas after → おかけします and you have the kenjougo form. You maybe have heard that form in stores for example when the staff says: おまたせしました → “We’ve kept you waiting” in polite register by lowering oneself since it was an action performed by the staff. (verb being mataseru)

Soo then you take this and put it in te form (しまして not して since you are talking keigo ^^) since you want to continue the sentences by saying you are sorry for the action. 申し訳ありません is the kenjougo version of すみません you can just learn it as such. Literally it means something like “there is no excuse for it” which is where the negative verb comes from.

Puuhh yeah. Got a liiiittle bit long but keigo is one aspect you have to learn. At the latest when you want to take N3 :smiley:

The verb is in passive voice. So the one doing the action is marked with ni. Asagi s doing the action. The action being バカにする which is a set phrase meaning “making fun of someone”, “painting them an idiot”. This is in the passive voice バカにされる. So all in all “I will be made fun of by Asagi”, “I will be made a fool by Asagi”
So basically she is dreading the teasing from asagi in the coming days :joy: . し is like you said some kind of emotive reason marker why she doesn’t like this situation.

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@ChristopherFritz @downtimes thank you for your replies :pray::blush: they’re really helpful but I’ll need some time before I’m able to internalize the information :sweat_smile:

Doesn’t hurt at all since I’m learning Japanese for the pleasure of it (it’s something to look forward to :smiley:). I don’t have a use for taking any JP exams, but currently my mid-term goal is to start slowly struggling my way through novels within a year from now, so I’ll probably have to start thinking seriously about keigo when I do that. And if keigo keeps appearing throughout よつばと!then I’ll be looking into it periodically from now on as well :slightly_smiling_face:

I only read one page today, in one panel installments between chapters of a book I’m reading for uni sort of like what @Hantsuki suggested, thanks :heart:

よつばと!vol1, cha3, pp91 🍀

——— 91 ———

とーちゃん‼︎

Dad!!

なんだ?起きたのか

What? You’re awake (again)?

みろ

Look

ふーかがよつばかいてくれてた!おきたらおいてあった!

Fuuka drew me! I woke up (and discovered) it’s been left behind (the drawing is currently in the state of having been left behind :stuck_out_tongue:)

へぇーそりゃよかったなぁーいいお姉ちゃんだなぁ

He~ That’s very good right? She’s a nice person isn’t she

いがいと、いい奴だ‼︎

She’s a very nice person!!

——— end ———

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I read only one page again, but did a bunch of listening and managed to at least follow the topics and understand fragments to a larger extent than I’ve gotten used to. So that was encouraging:)

In my 1k Anki deck today I encountered two words that puzzled me a bit: 優しい - nice, kind and 女優 - actress which made me wonder wether the kanji implied a positive view of acting or a cynical view of kindness :stuck_out_tongue: turns out it’s a positive view of acting :upside_down_face:

よつばと!vol1, cha3, pp92 🍀

——— 92 ———

この絵もヘタだけどよくできている!気にいりました!

This drawing is bad, however it’s nicely done! I like it! (I wasn’t able to figure out what kind of も this is)

じゃあおねえちゃんにお礼言わなきゃな

Well then, you’ll have to thank her (for the drawing) right?

そーだよなー‼︎お礼いってくる!

That’s right isn’t it!! I’ll head over and say thanks!

——— end ———

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The simple “also”. Because she drew a picture before yotsuba fell asleep which yotsuba loudly declared bad if you remember :smiley: .

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Ah, I thought they were the same picture:p That makes sense :sweat_smile::+1:

I read three pages today:)

よつばと!vol1, cha3, pp95-97 🍀

——— 95 ———

なーんだ、よつばちゃんじゃない

What, if it isn’t Yotsuba

あ!きれーなほうのねーちゃんだ!

Ah! The beautiful one!

あさぎよ、あさぎ

It’s Asagi, Asagi

あさげ

Asage

あさぎ

Asagi

今日はなに?なんか用事?

What’s up today? What kind of errand/business (brings you here)?

ふーかにふとこと言っておくことがある!

There is an urgent matter I need to speak to Fuuka about! (I read that Xっておくmeans to do something in advance, but I’m not sure how to make sense of that)

へーそりゃまた面白そうねー

Hee~ you said something interesting-sounding again (I feel it’s a little vague what そりゃ is referring to here, but I tried my best)

でも風香今出かけてていないわよ

But Fuuka has left the premises at the moment

——— 96 ———

あれぇ?…じゃあ、どーする?

Huh?… so, what do I do?

おもしろいなこの子供…

This child is amusing…

じゃあとりあえず中入る?ここ暑いから

Well, for now why don’t we head inside? It’s kind of hot out here

まぁ、テキトーに

Well, [vague encouragement to feel at home]

おお⁉︎

Oh!?

——— 97 ———

このへやつめたいぞ‼︎

This room is chilly!?

つめたい?クーラー効きすぎ?

Chilly? Is the air conditioner turned up too much?

!? !? ここは冬か!?

!? !? Is it winter in here !?

そんなに寒いかな?よつばちゃん冷え性?

Is it really that cold? Are you sensitive to cold, Yotsuba?

さ、さむいくない…えっと…ちょつどさむい!

I- it’s not cold… um … it’s precisely (as) cold (as it should be)!

………もしかて

……… perhaps

——— end ———

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Uhh 3 pages again. I see that japanese has priority again :sweat_smile:

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I’m stupid, I did no readings for uni but three pages of よつばと!, three hours of Japanese listening, and my regular 1-2 hours of SRS:/ then I made dinner and went to a concert… I guess I’ll have to actually study what I’m supposed to today :sweat_smile:

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I read another page today.

よつばと!vol1, cha3, pp98 🍀

——— 98 ———

クーラーって知ってるかなー?この機械なんだけど

Do you know about air conditioners? About this appliance?

なんだそれは‼︎

What is that!!

それ

I’ll show you

おー‼︎つめたいかぜがでてくる‼︎

Oh!! A cold wind is coming out!!

なんだこれは⁉︎

What is it!?

クーラーよ、クーラー

An air conditioner, air conditioner

夏でもすずしくしてしまう機械よ

It’s a machine that makes it cool even tho it’s summer

おおー、すっげぇー!

Ooo- amazing!

これアイスクリームつくれるか⁉︎

Can this thing make ice cream!?

それはムリだ

That’s not possible

——— end ———

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Two pages today:) I do have a question about the だったら sentence tho :four_leaf_clover::upside_down_face::four_leaf_clover:
also, it’s 02:25AM what am I doing lol

よつばと!vol1, cha2, pp99-100 🍀

——— 99 ———

で、風香に言うことってなに?

So, what is it you need to speak with Fuuka about?

おれいをゆう

I’m going to say thank you

お礼?

Thank you?

ほら!ふーか よつばの絵かいてくれた!

Look! Fuuka drew a picture of me!

へぇー

Hee—

——— 100 ———

あの子絵へたねぇー

That kid is bad at drawing

うん!

Yeah!

それでも、おれーいいにきた!

But despite that I came to say thanks!

それはえらいわねー

That’s great :smiley:

でも絵だったら恵那が上手よ

However, Ena used to draw well
(Jisho says だったら could be the past tense of だ, e.g. used to be, but also that it could mean “if that’s the case”, but “if what is the case about drawing then Ena is skilled” isn’t something I’m able to make sense of, hence my translation attempt)

えな?

Ena?

ほらいたでしょ、私と風香ともう一人

Look, (Ena) existed, right? Me and Fuuka and one more person

あーちっこいの

Ah, the tiny one

今、二階にいるわ遊んでもらいなさい

At the moment she’s at the second floor, go hang out with her

——— end ———

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たら is causative. “if…then,” though sometimes contextually “when,” “after,” that sorta thing.

This one is the thing you referenced on Jisho. You kinda have to stretch it contextually away from the actual words jisho uses. Here it’s like “if it is drawing (that we are talking about), then Ena is skilled.” Obviously not quite how you’d phrase that in English but that sorta keeps the structure while hopefully making a little more sense!

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This was in the possibility space I considered but I found it quite confusing, thanks for clearing this up for me :pray::heart: Ah! I don’t know how to properly express my gratitude to everyone who reads my study log and helps me, so my expression of my inability to do so will have to do. I do plan to pay it forward when I’m in a position to do so for at least as long as I’ve been receiving help :upside_down_face:

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Happy to help! Once you reach the level where you can, it just feels nice to do it, cause I remember fighting my way through every line of this manga too. I can feel the progress, and I’m sure you will too!

Just a nice community here, so much of what I know is a result of the help of others, too :slight_smile:

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The best part of helping others, once you reach the point you can do so, is it helps you improve your own understanding of the grammar. Even if you know the grammar somewhat, if you can’t explain it to someone else, that means there’s still room to improve. And if you look up the grammar and read up on it to help fill those gaps, so you can explain it, then you’re getting better at it in the process =D

And then just when you finally have the words to explain it, you find someone else already answered the question while you were looking things up… (But that’s okay as you’ll still have learned more!)

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I read three pages today because I think one sentence ran across from page 102 to page 103, correct me if I’m wrong…

よつばと!vol1, cha2, pp101-103 🍀

——— 101 ———

え?だれ?

E-? Who’s there?

えなー

Ena-

あれ⁉︎ よつばちゃん

Huh!? Yotsuba

え?どうしたの?

Eh? What’s the matter?

——— 102&103 ———

あのなーあさぎがなーえながなーえがじょうずだからなー

Well, you see- it’s because, you see, Asagi (said) you’re good at drawing-

あれ⁉︎このへやはあついな‼︎えなクーラーしってるか⁉︎

What? This room is hot!! Ena, do you know about air conditioners?

しってるよー

I know about them

この部屋にもあるもん、はら

This room has one as well, look

あっ!ホントだ‼︎でもあついぞ⁉︎

Ah-! It ready does!! But it’s hot!?

えーと…できるだけクーラーは使わないようにしてるの地球温暖化って知ってる?

Um… as for using the air conditioner a lot, I don’t do it as it causes global warming, don’t you know?

(Honestly, to me “使わないようにしてるの地球温暖化” looks like “I don’t use it so that global warming is caused” e.g. the reason for not using it isn’t to prevent GW but to cause it… so I’m obviously missing a logical step in the sentence or something. Or it’s two sentences starting with “できるだけクーラーは使わないようにしてるの” but then what is she saying is the reason she’s not using the air conditioner much? Does she just trail off and then ask “do you know about global warming?”?)

ちきゅうだ…ん?

Global …ing?

あのね私もあんまりよくわかってないんだけど

Well, I don’t understand it very well either, but

すごーくおおまかにいうとー

I’ll tell you in very loose terms

(とー?)

クーラーを使うと地球あつーくなって、北極の氷とけて島が沈んじゃったり

When you use the air conditioner the world gets warmer, the polar ice melts, islands sink etc.

地球がとってもたいへんになるの、それが地球温暖化

The world is entering a terrible crisis (becoming very awful?), that’s what global warming is

ちきゅうおんだんか

Global warming

そう

That’s right

——— end ———

地球温暖化 it’s 地球温暖化 :scream:

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Typo, that means “do you do cooler?”

Yes two sentences. First one she just explains that she uses it as seldom as possible (with explanatory no ending). She then probably wanted to explain why but wasn’t sure if yotsuba would understand. So she first switched to the question. “you know global warming/climate change?”

Would go with the translation in braces.

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I do. Changed it, thanks :pray:

Thanks, I got that that was a more literal translation but wasn’t sure if it might not sound more like “entering terrible crisis” in Japanese.

Ok, I’m confused by ように which Jisho says means “in order to” but which apparently doesn’t have a referent in the sentence or the established context.

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That is not simple a ように that is a whole grammar point ようにする conjugated to している and shortend to してる. Basically meaning you make sure/put effort that “verb” before the construct. (put effort into not using 使わない)

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I read one page today. That was quite enough :sweat_smile:

よつばと!vol1, cha3, pp104 🍀

——— 104 ———

だからできるだけクーラーは使わないようにしてるの、でもすっごく暑い日はつけちゃうの

That’s why if at all possible I make an effort not to use the air conditioner, but, as for very hot days, I switch it on

クーラーはわるいか⁉︎ちきゅうのてきか⁉︎

Air conditioners are bad!? They’re the enemies of earth!?

うーん…そんなには…

Yeah… (but) that much… (I’m thinking Ena is expressing that Yotsuba is taking it a little far :p)

あれ?よつばちゃんちはクーラーないの?

Huh? Doesn’t your house have (an) air conditioner(s)?

な、ないよ⁉︎

N- no!?

だってとーちゃんはいいものなんだ‼︎クーラーなんかないよ!

Because dad is a good person!! We don’t have anything like an air conditioner!

(なんだ=のだ? explanatory の?)

ふーん、そっかー

Huh, is that so

…ないとおもう…

…I don’t think (we have)…

(I don’t understand what と is doing here and my Google-fu is failing me. Maybe I should buy All About Particles? Or is there a better book, as it uses romaji and that’s kind of bleh…?)

あれ⁉︎よつばちゃん⁉︎

What!? Yotsuba!?

——— end ———

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The good news is this one is extremely straightforward and simple! と is used after thoughts or speech to mark them, that’s all. You’ll see と思う (とおもう) especially so often it’ll feel like a set phrase before long, I promise. Though often when you venture into books they like to drop the verbs for “thought” or “said” or other repetitive stuff and let と handle it on its own.

Yep, I believe so.

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