Are those who are completing in 7 days really learning everything?

I was asking myself the same question, but just for curiosity.

Everyone has their own time… some people do learn some things faster than others.

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I always was a quick learner at school. And even now I’m older it’s easier then I expected to remember the meaning of the kanji (although I sometimes think my brain is going to explode with all the new information I want to store in it).

I finished level 2 in six days one hour. My accuracy is between 78.6 and 84.5% for reading and between 96.1 and 96.9% for meaning. But I don’t know if I still remember all those word in a few weeks or months, I just hope so…

It’s also helpful to look at how much time you expect to spend on Japanese per day. If you only want to commit to maybe 30-45 minutes/day total, it’s going to be hard to sustain the 7day level ups. However, if you’re supplementing WK with reading, listening, grammar study, etc, it’s going to be easier. It’s not right or wrong to spend more or less time but you should set your expectations appropriately. :slight_smile:

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There’s no doubt in my mind that the people hitting 7 day level-ups are learning everything. After all, if you haven’t learned it, you’ll just get it wrong and get more practice with it.

That said, a strategy some people with more free time will take is to use WK Override to ensure they never get a kanji/radical wrong if it will result in a longer level. By the nature of SRS, these people are still learning all the kanji just fine, but have to spend more time on reviews, as they may not have the previous level down perfectly by the time they start the next. Any guru-level items they didn’t really have down will slip back to apprentice so they can learn them properly.

And of course, some people are just a bit quicker with languages. When I’m keeping up with WK, I generally maintain an 85%-95% correct rate.

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I keep a cheat sheet/journal with all words/readings/kanji written out. The adding of smaller letters got me for awhile in the beginning like with “Three things” being “Mittsu” though you don’t really pronounce the lil fella like ‘k’ in knife.

How to accomplish one level in one week:
there is a great post about “the fast way” of WaniKani. Of course, it’s not a race and not about beeing fast, but I like the speek of 1 week for a level.

Do I learn everything?
SHURELY NOT! Even with Master oder Enlighten items I often think “Never saw that one”. But I also use KaniWani. This website is made by WK-Users, completely free and you can simply repeat the vocabs from English->Japanese. The best feature about KaniWani is, that you can do it on your smarphone with a handwriting keyboard (see pic). So I also learn the writing, which is a real great help in reading and speaking Japanese!!

On the other hand it’s not important to lern everything. If you just make WK you won’t be able to read Japanese on Level 60. First there is something called grammar and second there are many words without kanji in their writing. WK wont teach you this words, so you must lern them too. The solution: READ, READ, READ

Greetings
~T :lion:

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It gets better. As @MissMisc said, in the beginning you’re learning how to learn kanji as much as the kanji/vocab themselves. You eventually start to see some patterns in readings that help out as well. Vocab gets easier down the line too because of all the compound words (until you hit exceptions like 信号)

As far as as how to do it quickly, know which reviews are critical for leveling up. Radicals are the important ones in the first batch, then the new kanji in the second batch are important. Everything else can be done at your own pace (and should be, to avoid giant walls of reviews). Time reviews so that they’re ready when you are. I like to learn new stuff around 7 pm when I can help it, because the first review shows up at 11 pm before I go to bed. If I get them right, the next one’s at 7 am when I wake up and they can be done again without any time lost.

Most importantly, show up for reviews every day. The above stuff is nice but the secret is that there’s no secret. Don’t fret about accuracy too much, just keep doing it and review mnemonics when you get something wrong and let the SRS handle the timing. You don’t have to be perfect, just consistent for the results to come.

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@Corbayne

Off-topic

Maybe you already know this, and I’m the one who’s not understanding what you meant, but it sounds like you’re saying that みっつ is pronounced exactly the same as みつ. In fact, they’re different and it’s an important distinction to learn early on. Here’s a short video that explains the proper pronunciation of small つ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVynW7frBig

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I forgot to mention it’s like a behbeh pause so actually not like knife. But in my head, the lil cuties like in ‘kyou’ will always make me think of learning to spell knife. Dunno why. Great video!!

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I sure hope so.

I currently average an 8 day pace. If I had a ‘secret’ it would be that I try to put in the work to come up with good mnemonics for all the kanji. While I can zip through 24 vocab lessons in about 15 minutes (if I’m focused), I’ll often spend the first 1 - 1.5 hours of a new level creating mnemonics for the new kanji. Not everything sticks perfectly, especially since I learn so many at once, but it really smooths out the rest of the level since most vocab become trivial once you know the kanji (alternative readings excepted . . .). Doing this, I have a 96% overall accuracy with mostly vocab alt readings dragging my average down a bit.

Beyond that, I try to check my reviews 3 - 4 times a day to keep them from piling too high; more than 70 reviews at once and I start getting distracted. Oh, and I try to remember to do a mini-review the items I get wrong after I finish a review. Helps keep that information targeted rather than getting lost in the overall review.

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For me going in the fast lane was ok until level 20 perhaps. I had my sentence mining routine and my graded readers to put those kanji and vocab into use ASAP, so that was holding all in place (you could say that was “my secret”, after all I only really feel I learn anything when actual context strikes, I think of WK more as kanji awareness tool :sweat_smile:)

By the time I reached level 25 my accuracy for reviews drastically decreased, as well as my motivation for learning so many kanji in such short time, mainly because I was able to read and understand much more; I was eager to read more, watch more shows, etc… But eventually that became incompatible with a new level each 7-8 days. Some of the new kanjis became less used in my current readings, specially once I decided reading native material (children stories), as those books replaced them with hiragana.

Eventually I decided on slowing down, do less lessons per day on WK, and focus more on immersion and the vocab I was learning there.

Now I’m on a healthy 11-12 days per level average, and I think it’s much more sustainable in the long run. In any case, I’ve realized that a fixed number of days it’s not something important. My main focus now is immersion and doing daily reading on a consistent basis. It’s more fun and actually I think I get the most of anything I learn here, as WK is now a tool for getting me into shape for more advanced readings :sunglasses:

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This. With WK Override it’s not a matter of “can I finish this level in X days” but rather “will I eventually die buried in reviews.”

You’re right, I actually don’t know any kanji. You got me.

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I think they’re learning them too well, ironically. The SRS efficiency theory is, if you’re getting 100% right, the interval is too short and should be lengthened until you start getting some fraction wrong. I think the original SRS adaptively adjusted not only the time before the next review for the individual item, but also adjusted the interval lengths for all items at that level if you were succeeding at too high or low a rate on average. So say for your 12-hour interval you were getting 95% right. You change that interval to say, 14 hours from then on.

What I really think is happening (though maybe not in all cases) is people are “pre-studying” by looking at items again before the test. That doesn’t necessarily mean they wouldn’t have remembered if they hadn’t, but it kind of does defeat the purpose of SRS.

Some people just have good memories, though, so who knows?

My secret is having a good memory, everything is just soooo easy peasy lemon squeezy

No, seriously… I spend 4 hours daily studying Japanese, it’s pretty much consistency… tears and blood

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If you aren’t actually learning your words, don’t bother with fast leveling. I saw a lot of posts back when I was new obsessing over the perfect review schedule, but you will get crushed once your burns start coming up if you haven’t been learning them well.

This isn’t just a fast learner thing. I got crushed by burns and I was a slow leveler. It’s been a difficult few months (losing my computer for half a month really didn’t help…).

If your success rate with Burning items is say, 50% (mine may be worse than that I’m not sure :<), it’s going to be rough no matter how fast you’re leveling. But it’s going to be that much worse if you slip when you’ve got, say, 100 burn items a week coming in. That’s 50 extra items a week you’ll have to account for!

I have no doubt that some, many people even exist who fast level fine. So I’m not answering the topic title question. I’m just suggesting if you are a new user trying to gauge the viability of speeding through wanikani, to ask yourself how much you’re really learning your items before going all in on the speedleveling. Because I would hate to be someone fast leveling who wasn’t learning their stuff.

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I think it’s a mix of things. Some people just learn faster and some people are just naturally better with learning languages. The brain can change and the more you learn the better your brain gets at learning.

Also I assume but (may be wrong) the people with the fastest level up times are likely full time students or have lot of free time to study and do reviews.

Some do use a reorder script to do kanji first and basically skip vocabulary, using a script like this will allow you level up really quick but your basically cheating yourself from really learning important vocabulary. Vocabulary does not factor into leveling up, it’s possbile to get to level 60 using the reorder script and never doing vocabulary but i think few people actually do that.

That is my view on things hope it’s helpful.

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Tears and blood, exactly. If you run out, just buy more on silk road.

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I don’t think people generally think in terms of their “apprentice accuracy.” If people have a high accuracy it’s across all types of reviews.

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