made a sort of a video (just a narration) on the topic; for your reference:
You made a great case for going slow and being methodical with the preparation. Well done.
Awesome vid and I liked the 10 yojijukugo one too! I’ll have to check out the others when I get some more free time.
I am about half way through my task of cleaning up my handwriting. It is grueling but I am brushing up 30 kanji a day. I have a little over a month left to finish all the jouyou kanji. It’s amazing how I really didn’t learn how to write properly because I just used text recognizers and ignored stroke endings and proportions of the various radicals. I am not using anki for this. After I am finished, I’ll need to go through a bushu deck. I am undecided whether I will review the bushu for all the jouyou kanji or just like 2級 and 準2級. But I might do all since I’ll take the opportunity to write out the kanji as well so that my writing stays on top. I have a spreadsheet with the various bushu that’ll I’ll go through first. I want to learn the bushu names even though they are not tested at 2級.
I wasn’t too sure where to ask this, but I figured the question would probably be relevant to kanken and they would be a good basis to go off of, so someone here probably knows.
I’ve been learning a lot of 1K/1.5K yojijukugo recently just for fun because I think they’re neat and are relatively easy to learn, but I’ve noticed their readings seem to have variation sometimes.
一日之長 can use じつ or にち
吉祥悔過 can have two pretty distinct readings it appears
words like 烏鳥私情, 群鶏一鶴, 桂林一枝 can have a の in them.
一水盈盈 and 盈盈一水 seem like the same exact thing
My question is: as far as kanken or yoji nerds are concerned, are both of these equally valid? Or is there one thats considered “technically correct” or “more correct” over the other that I should have in my head as the primary reading/form? If so, is there a source that will reliably tell me which is the one I should learn?
If you can find them both in dictionaries, then they’re both valid. You’d need to do a lot of hunting to find precise frequencies, since yojijukugo are already low frequency words. But I mean, if you have a resource to point to, no one would be able to say it’s wrong. One being more or less used would depend on the specifics of that particular compound.
For Kanken, I use the 漢検四字熟語辞典. If it’s in there, it can appear on Kanken. If it’s not, it can’t.
This was part of my confusion. For 吉祥悔過 吉祥悔過とは - コトバンク kotobank only gives one, but dedicated yoji dictionaries have both like 「吉祥悔過」（きちじょうけか）の意味 and 吉祥悔過【きちじょうけか】の意味と使い方の例文（語源由来・類義語） | 四字熟語の百科事典 . I take it that prolly means both would be coolio?
Oof, non digital. I’m not too familiar with kanken testing, though. So like would they ever ask you to give the reading of a yojijukugo, per se? Or do they just ask you to match synonyms and antonyms?
Yeah, it wouldn’t be a big deal.
There are usually two yojijukugo sections on the advanced levels. One for matching them to definitions, so no readings even come into it. And another section where they provide a reading and you have to write the missing kanji. So, you don’t have to produce readings.
Ok, that makes sense. If thats the case, then I guess whether or not the hidden の is thrown in wouldn’t matter. On the other hand, if I remembered 吉祥悔過 as きちじょうけか and they gave me きっしょうかいか that might mess me up. Passing the kanken isn’t a current goal per se, but if I were want to set myself up for it in the future would you personally recommend learning both readings like that? Or in that dictionary you linked is it usually just the one primary one?
Also, I just came across this:
And one line towards the bottom kinda confused me:
Whats the reasoning behind this?\
EDIT: nevermind, they had the reason below it lol
Some people don’t consider compounds that use the character 之 like the normal の to be standard yojijukugo.
Though I did find 一日之長 in the Kanken dictionary.
In the case of Kanken, the dictionary will have both if both can appear. In the case of 一日之長, only いちじつのちょう was listed.
I can’t say I can recall if a multi-reading one showed up in a question before.
Yeah it looks like they say they just don’t appear much and not necessarily that they can’t appear, so I guess they should all still be in there and just aren’t selected really? Thats kinda a shame because I think there have been some really cool ones that use 之, but I can understand the argument.
Interesting. In that case, could I bother you to look up like 雲中白鶴 for me really quick? I know it really wouldn’t have an affect on the ability to answer any questions on the test, but I’m just curious if it lists both or only one with/without the の.
Only one reading is listed, うんちゅうのはっかく