Am I hearing the audio correctly?

殿堂 でんどう sounds like den toe when
Kyoko Tokyo accent, female says it. https://www.wanikani.com/vocabulary/殿堂

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It’s a little harder of a d but I still clearly hear the d in the audio.
Compare with https://www.wanikani.com/vocabulary/伝統
Maybe that helps.

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Ok..it must be my ears. Both words sound the same on the d when she says it. The u may be a little longer in 伝統.

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If it makes you feel better, @tip I struggle with this one as well.

nice idea! unfortunately, I also can’t tell a difference. But I’ll bookmark these two and continue my quest to get there.

During my conversation practice, my Japanese friend noticed I don’t distinguish these, and she tries to help me with it, too. But since I can’t distinguish them when listening, I fail to produce any meaningful differences on this pair when I speak (eg でんどう vs でんとう)

The weird thing is, I can hear the difference with the male voice. That makes it hard to believe the female voice is pronouncing it as expected.
To be fair, in casual settings I will say T like D… a little bit of water = a liddle bidda warder. Can’t think of an instance when D sounds like T.

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good point, I can also clearly hear it in the male voice.

Yeah, for whatever reason, there are definitely times when what I hear is not what I’m expecting. But in this case, I definitely hear both d’s by both speakers. I’m SURE they are a LOT of us out there that can understand what you’re experiencing! Good luck :slight_smile:

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I’m hearing it mostly the same way you are. Maybe more a dt than a strict t, but it’s definitely crunchier than a d.

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I’m considering reporting it. Maybe the other female voice can give it a try.