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How much slower is this btw? I’m now personally used to kuromoji, which does morphological splitting in basically an instant

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Extremely slow compared with Juman++. I haven’t timed it, though.

I’ve never tried Kuromoji, so something for me to check out, maybe?

Edit: Looks like Kuromoji maybe doesn't do expressions, at least at the same level as Ichiran?

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Timing the individual processes for a 200-page manga on my computer:

  • Mokuro: 5m 40s
  • Juman++: 5s
  • Ichiran: 9m 27s

Note that this is running Ichiran through Docker and sending each dialogue balloon through an HTTP request. If I could query it more directly, maybe it would be a little faster?

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why you gotta expose me like that :laughing::laughing: (I actually couldn’t even finish this BC :skull: )

Wow, so brave Soggy! You’re cool! I’m looking at the polls bracing myself to run the manga I suggested and I’m already nervously sweating :melting_face:
I’m just happy everyone liked my suggestion :eye:
bocchi-bocchi-the-rock (2)

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Omigosh, I’m not cool, I just thought I might as well contribute to this community a little bit since I’m here all day every day anyways :sweat_smile:

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(Somehow their answer was even cooler) :sparkles:

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Giving some thought to nominating that. Probably in Intermediate, though, because it’s a yonkoma and it’s furigana-free. Picked up volume one in Japanese during my last visit to Kinokuniya. And it came out in English last week, though I don’t have that yet.

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I would definitely rank ぼっち as intermediate. I read through Vol 1 a while ago and it was way out of my range for comfortable reading … though at least it doesn’t have as much accent stuff as 舞妓ちゃん

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University kept me busy, but glad to be back! :two_hearts::two_hearts:

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@Gorbit99 I was a bit curious about your analysis tool – is it public and do you have the stats saved anywhere? Have you talked about how it works somewhere before?

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There’s a thread for it:

Tl;dr: It’s local only, so you have to provide your own data (am currently looking into maybe using an external database for trusted sources). The ABBC picks (minus Ookami chan, always forget about it) are loaded in by default. For the rest, you need the bookwalker json files.

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This is relevant to my interests :eyes:

I’d love some recommendations actually. The added overhead of looking up words without furigana is basically the only thing making reading harder, at least in the manga I’ve read - so anything that can reduce that overhead is very much a welcome addition to my toolkit :smile:

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Is this a covert Book Walker ad? :wink:

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If you’re reading digitally:

  • Mokuro puts your manga into an HTML manga reader with selectable text, and an extension like Yomichan allows you to immediately look up any selectable text you point to.
  • KanjiTomo can try to parse anything you can see on screen.

If you’re reading a physical copy:

  • Whatever your smartphone is, there are probably apps to OCR anything the camera sees. For example, I’m using Yomiwa on my Android phone.
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I’m gonna have to look into those and how nicely they play together with Bookwalker, thanks :slight_smile:

I’ve tried using Yomiwa and pointing my phone at the screen but I’ve had mixed results and a fair bit of trouble getting it to recognise kanji correctly, honestly. Honestly I’ve had better results just using Google’s handwriting recognition and drawing whatever kanji I don’t recognise without even looking at what I’m drawing, it’s surprisingly effective, but it’s a bit of a pain to switch keyboards constantly for lookups and I no longer have a phone with a pen built in…

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Sadly you’re gonna have to download the images to use Mokuro, and with Bookwalker that’s a bit of a pain. (Possible though. Not gonna link anything here, obviously, but it’s easy enough to google.)

Yomiwa is working pretty well for me when pointing it to my Switch when I’m too lazy to type unknown words from Yo-kai Watch into a dictionary. But maybe I’m just lucky with that game’s font.

For the elusive kanji that I can’t recognize with those tools:

  • Kanji drawing at Handwritten kanji search at sljfaq.org works decently well for me, although I heard that Google’s handwriting recognition is actually better.
  • Jotoba (click on “Radicals”, look at the bottom search bar) and kanji.club are fantastic for when I know a kanji that is part of the kanji (i.e. used as a radical).
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Searching by radicals does work but can be a massive pain when it’s not immediately clear which exact radicals are in a kanji. It’s what I mostly use now.

That said, I can definitely attest to Google’s handwriting recognition. When I say I’m handwriting kanji, I mean I’m intently staring at whatever kanji I don’t know and trying to scribble it onto a screen I’m not even looking at. The results can’t possibly look anything like the kanji I’m looking for, yet for some reason Google manages to find the correct one almost every time

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Yeah, that’s why Jotoba is so lovely.

Know a kanji that is used as a radical in your target kanji? Just type it into the radical kanji search bar, I think it’ll even work if it isn’t usually classified as a radical.

Know a kanji that contains radicals that are similar to your target kanji? Type that kanji into the radical kanji search bar, and Jotoba will decompose it into radicals for you that you can then use to search for your target kanji.

I can’t believe how much time I wasted sifting through Jisho.org’s radical table.

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Oh sweet, that’s a game changer for sure! I wish I’d known that sooner, I was very much wasting time in Jisho’s radicals table wishing for these exact things :joy:

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On Android I use the Akebi dictionary with handwriting to look up words. Not always perfect but consistently pretty good.

I think I use gboards keyboard switching at a button press iirc.

When I read on Android I use Kaku as an OCR screen app. Unfortunately iOS doesn’t let apps access the necessary permissions to do whole-screen OCR I think else I would have one for my iPad as well…

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