A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar [aDoJG] 💮 Reading Club // [Currently reading the Advanced edition]

Forgot to answer your question, so here I go: I don’t have a preference and will leave it completely up to more active participants to decide if they wish for a break. I won’t say no to a break but I have nothing against the club continuing without one either – so don’t mind me, I’ll catch up eventually. :sweat_smile:

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New week today, 6 entries:

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6 entries this week too:

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And last week of S is now here, with 7 entries:


I wanted to mention that I’m feeling a bit burnt out. So I was thinking of a longer break between the basic and intermediate dictionary, perhaps only start the intermediate one at the beginning of next year. That would leave an almost 2 month break.

Although maybe I’ll feel different in two months, but if the intermediate volume is to start fairly soon after the basic version, organization for that needs to start next month. Another option would be for someone else to run the intermediate dictionary, and if anyone is up for that, I’d be fine with giving over the leadership.

I’ll definitely finish off this volume, no problem. But I thought I should mention it so anyone (maybe) willing to take over for the intermediate volume will have some time to think about it. The time each week after all the organizing is done isn’t that big, but it is every week for months and months. So don’t underestimate that. Although I know we have some book club leaders who’ve been leading the same manga series for a very very very long time! I admire those people, I don’t quite belong to them. :joy:

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That sounds like a good idea to me – we’ll have been spending a lot of time working through the dictionary by that point. A long break will mean we can all start fresh (and roughly in sync) for some of the interesting sections at the start of the next volume.

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I agree with @pm215 . It’s really hard to keep stamina for such a long time. Everytime I started Assimil, which is 100 lessons, 1 lesson a day, after lesson 60 it becomes a chore, the enthusiasm from the beginning is gone. So a break would be nice :slightly_smiling_face:

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And we’re onto T:

After this there is one more letter thread (four weeks away though) and then appendix reading. So we’re very much in the home stretch.

And thanks @pm215 and @Akashelia. :blush:

Unless someone else steps forward willing to organize and run the Intermediate volume, the current start date for the Intermediate volume will be Jan 6th. I’m hoping by then I’ll be excited to lead this club again, otherwise I’ll ask someone else to take over, temporarily/permanently.

Organization for the next club will happen around the end of this one, because I’d rather not interrupt my Christmas holidays to flip through a dictionary for hours to put together a schedule a week or two before the start. ^^

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Yeah, I’ve been way busier this past month than I expected to be, thanks to having family visiting while I was still trying to finish up an August translation workload that turned out to be a lot more than I anticipated (22,000 characters…). So if we started the next volume right away, I’d probably be some amount of behind through the next few months, because October and November are only going to be worse, haha :sweat_smile:. But I think I’ll be able to get caught up before the projected start date for the intermediate volume for sure!

Thank you so much for all of the work you’ve done organizing this club so far! It has actually been pretty fun, and I feel like I’ve learned a lot! I don’t think I can lead a book club while I’m also juggling a translation workload with a pretty unrelenting schedule, or I’d offer to help. Hopefully you get your energy back!

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6 entries this week:

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7 entries this week:

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Last week of T.

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And last letter thread is here! And week 30. 3 0, we’ve been at it a long time now.

I’m without laptop until after the weekend. So I’ll deal with all the linking between threads and such when I have that.

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It is a long time, but who knows if it wouldn’t have taken me even longer to read it, without the club! (Most likely infinitely longer, as in I probably wouldn’t have read it)
So thanks again for the club and all the work with the threads!

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Week 31 is here with 8 entries:

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Anyone who’s following along with this club (or I guess reading the book at your own pace and want a way to check off the sections that you’ve finished), Hubbit200 created a really cool script for tracking your book club progress on the WK dashboard!

The script is still a bit of a work in progress, but it’s looking great so far, and as of the newest update, it is possible to add clubs from their home thread, and I am delighted to say that it is able to automatically parse the club schedule for this one, so it can be added to your WK dashboard very painlessly!

This is great news for those of us who are behind, haha, or who joined in with the club late and are following along with the current schedule, but missed some of the earlier weeks. It makes it very easy to see what you have and haven’t read!

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And week 32 is here:

Next week is our last week of the Basic volume :bangbang:

Then we’ll start the intermediate volume with the new year (so in roughly two months).

Therefore, I hope to look at scheduling this coming week (because I don’t wanna do that over the holidays), so lets have a couple of polls about how people felt it worked with this volume.

Was (roughly) 1 entry per day a good speed?
  • Yes
  • No, I want faster for the next volume
  • No, I want slower for the next volume
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What about the organization of the threads as letter ones (A, B-C, D-G, F, etc.)?
  • Worked well
  • Weekly threads / more threads would be better
  • Even fewer threads would be better
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I’d greatly appreciate suggestions if you are voting for any of the options we didn’t use this time, because that will help me work up alternative schedules and/or alternative ways of presenting the threads. While I’m good at organization, more ideas make it easier for me to pick the ones that will work the best.

When I have a first look, I’ll also look at all the material before and after the main entries, so we can vote on which of those we will be reading. For this volume, we read everything before the main entries together, but we’re only reading one appendix. Because that made sense for this basic one. No idea what the intermediate table of content is, so I’ll report on that when I have time to look through that properly.

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Thank you for organising this volume and I’m looking forward to starting the next one (after a break!). For me the scheduling and pace worked great, so I don’t have any further suggestions. I ended up picking up the pace near the end, but that was just due to a personal schedule adjustment, but I really enjoyed the 1 entry a day pace.

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And the last week of the basic volume is here:

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The majority have spoken and A Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar will be run pretty similarly to the Basic volume. However, how the letter threads will be broken up depends on the Intermediate volume and what works best.

I realized now I should maybe have checked if people still wanted me to adjust the weekly entry amount so that no week crosses over two threads, but I assume I’ll get an idea of how necessary that is before I get to the end of this post!

Table of Content


From the Preface, I learnt that they changed To the Reader a bit, and that they added more terms to Grammatical Terms on top of the ones from the basic volume, enough new ones that flipping through the first few pages showed several.

As before List of Abbreviations and List of Symbols will be most helpful just as a reference material.

As with the basic volume, the appendices while interesting are only long (sometimes VERY long) lists of stuff. So not much reading, although it all seems to have example sentences. Meaning while I think it might be useful, I’m not entirely sure it will be useful to cram it by reading many pages of it in a week. The most readable one was probably Katakana Word Transcription Rules, even so, I’m not sure it would be worth it to read it as a club.

Which parts before and after Main Entries should we read as a club?
  • To the Reader
  • Grammatical Terms
  • Special Topics in Intermediate Japanese Grammar #1
  • Special Topics in Intermediate Japanese Grammar #2
  • Special Topics in Intermediate Japanese Grammar #3
  • Special Topics in Intermediate Japanese Grammar #4
  • Appendix 1
  • Appendix 2
  • Appendix 3
  • Appendix 4
  • Appendix 5
  • Appendix 6
  • Appendix 7
  • Appendix 8
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Main entries is 610 pages long (page 3-612). 195 entries, unless I counted wrong (which is very possible).

A, 1 entries, 3-5, 3 pages
B, 4 entries, 6-17, 12 pages
D, 11 entries, 18-43, 26 pages
F, 1 entries, 44-46, 3 pages
G, 3 entries, 47-56, 10 pages
H, 1 entries, 57-59, 3 pages
I, 5 entries, 60-75, 16 pages
J, 1 entries, 76-79, 4 pages
27 entries (4 weeks - 1 entry)

K, 27 entries, 80-158, 79 pages
M, 11 entries, 159-192, 34 pages
38 entries (5 weeks + 3 entries)

N, 42 entries, 193-317, 125 pages
42 entries (6 weeks)

O, 6 entries, 318-332, 15 pages
P, 2 entries, 333-342, 10 pages
R, 5 entries, 343-357, 15 pages
13 entries (2 weeks - 1 entry)

S, 24 entries, 358-441, 84 pages
24 entries (3 weeks + 3 entries)

T, 32 entries, 442-550, 109 pages
32 entries (5 weeks - 3 entries)

U, 3 entries, 551-555, 5 pages
V, 2 entries, 556-563, 8 pages
W, 6 entries, 564-583, 20 pages
Y, 6 entries, 584-605, 22 pages
Z, 2 entries, 606-612, 7 pages
19 entries (3 weeks - 2 entries)

Well, above you’ll see all the letters and the number of their entries (if anyone feels like checking anything, the number of entries per letter would be the thing I’ve gotten wrong, easiest to count in the Japanese Index, however make sure you know what is an entry and what isn’t, it is noted on the first page of the index), and my best attempt to divide the letters up.

Since the majority are super small, and then the big ones are enormous, I couldn’t figure out a better split without making weeks very short, or having weeks cross threads. As you’ll see, the current divide does mean a few 6 entries and 8 entries weeks.

So the poll is:

  • Strictly read 7 entries per week
  • Have slight variation, 7 (+/- 1) and keep each week within one thread
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Well, I never finished the Intermediate volume, so I might actually join in this time. :slightly_smiling_face:

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