I started to read a bit yesterday… the fonts on the first page are quite dramatic, and the art is quite striking. So far, I’m enjoying the manga artist’s style. Thanks!
Option 1) Start with a blank vocabulary sheet and let users fill it out as they go.
Option 2) Start with a pre-populated vocabulary sheet and let users make corrections as necessary.
For option 2, if you provide me the OCR text in order of appearance, I can run it through Ichiran to split up the words and get their English word counterparts, and finally put that into a spreadsheet.
To get the OCR text in order of apperance, install this UserScript via:
Then follow these instructions.
## Usage
1. Drag a .mokuro file and its image folder onto https://reader.mokuro.app/
1. Install and enable the UserScript.
1. Open the volume.
1. Select text boxes while advancing through the pages.
1. On the final page, click "Download JSON" button to save the textbox order information.
## Controls
- Hover a text box: mark it as selected.
- `0`: select the current `next` (green) suggested box.
- `1`-`9` (and multi-digit input): select the numbered box on the current page.
- `*`: undo the last selection.
- `/`: move to the next page.
The number order of the textbox is based on the order Mokuro handled the text, so it won’t necessarily be in the “correct” order (which is why this UserScript is necessary).
If you’re good at 10-key, you can get through the text boxes faily quickly with the keyboard. Otherwise, you’ll likely want to use a mouse. (If you’re on a laptop with no 10-key and only a touchpad mouse, abandon all hope of this being a good experience.)
Marking all the textboxes on a page automatically advances to the next page. If there are textboxes left over you don’t want to keep, press the left arrow on the keyboard or click on the left edge to advance to the next page.
Provide me with the JSON file either by uploading it somewhere and linking to it here, or send it to me on Discord, and I can take it from there.
It’s not a super-quick process to get all the dialogue from a manga volume into the right order, but it’s worth it if you want a pre-generated spreadsheet where words are listed in the order of appearance per page.
Yeah I was assuming it would be option 1, if one didn’t already exist. I didn’t know whether this was the first time this title had been used for a book club or not. Personally I’m more than happy to look things up while reading - it’s a learning experience as much as a reading experience of course.
I probably worded my question badly - what I really meant was does one alreeady exist, I certainly wouldnt expect @ChristopherFritz to go to all that time and effort for something we can do ourselves - they’ve already been so helpful with our yotsubato ABBC answering questions and checking our translations.
I mean, I’m not famaliar with anything other than ‘standard’ at the moment, but I’m happy to learn it. I don’t use bunpro - I started using it at the same time as i started WaniKani on the free trial month, but I just didn’t feel I was learning very well from it, so didn’t sign up after the trial ended. I’ll see how I go with the reading though, I can still look things up in that dialect I’m sure, elsewhere.
For those like me who learn well through relatable examples, I uploaded a page today showing examples of Kansai dialect from various manga.
I’ll occassionally offer to generate a vocabulary list when I’m participating, mostly for ABBC and for BBC when there’s no furigana, as it shoudl meaningfully reduce friction in both cases.
Even if I’m not doing the “collect dialogue in order” stage, there are still a few steps to do to prep data in Google Sheets before it’s ready to go. But I’m interested in seeing if I can us AI to write some code to automate that part for me.
Taking inspiration from @Dathmach and @martywolfman in the ABBC thread, I’ll be trying to do a translation of the reading when I can, using jisho and the vocab sheet occasionally. Here’s the first few pages of this week- please feel free to offer feedback, suggestions, or questions!
I’m glad to be an inspiration for someone! Of course, it’s not a trend that can continue into the later book clubs. Hopefully until then, this practice will help us learn a lot!
Haha, I’m working on one for this too, I’m going to wait until I’ve done the whole thing before posting it though.
A couple of thoughts from me on yours so far. Though remember I’m at your level, and this is the second manga I’ve read, including よつばと, So take them somewhat with a grain of salt.
What you have as page 1, is actually page 3 - you’ll come unstuck when you get to page 8, hehe
On that page there’s only one lump of text that seems to be in a speech bubble from the bully, so I assumed the rest were thought bubbles from the smaller kid, thinking about herself. (I’m assuming she’s the empty hearted rainbow fragment kid, since she’s on the cover too)
Page 4(6), the symbol / mascot name, I think that’s a small ッ so 'エッグ’ or egg
Page 5(7), I have the last bit as ‘it is said that there was an animal statue there too’
Hi everyone, this is my first book club participation. I did follow some old ABBC clubs after they were finished and more recently mostly read on my own, like よつばと (upto vol 5), ナルト (upto vol 3) and satori reader. Just read the assigned pages for this week and it went mostly smooth after getting used to 関西弁. Looking forward to participating in this club and discussing japanese!
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Contrary to @martywolfman I think all text is said by the bully, because her mouth is open in the panel and because that was the only way the text made sense to me.
I’m not completely sure about ホンマはここにも either. Taking it together with the next bubble my guess is: “It is said that the true (form of the artwork) had a statue of an animal here too” (meaning of ホンマはここにも in bold).
Yeah, looking at it again, i think you’re right, the following pages have speech round bubbles like that without the usual ‘pointing at the mouth’ part, and on page 9 there’s a panel with her thinking herself, with more usual thought bubble type thing, so I’m probably wrong on that point. It just seemed odd to me that there would just be one speech bubble on that page with the pointy bit, if the rest were also meant to be speaking.
I agree in general, though in my opinion I feel ホンマ is not directly affecting the “artwork”.
In this particular case, ホンマ in Kansai dialect is used to say something very similar to the English “In truth” or “In reality”. So the sentence in question is something along the lines of “In reality, it’s said there used to be another animal statue over here”.
This is usually the case when ホンマ is at the start of a sentence. In other use cases it’s generally closer to ほんとう in standard japanese.
That would make a lot more sense grammatically, you’re probably right. I don’t quite understand the semantics though, as I wouldn’t expect “in reality” to be about there being rumors. Does ホンマ imply anything here or is it more of a filler word?
There is a Japanese girl’s first name Natsume (literally means summer, 夏) and a family name Natsume as well, 夏目, which means summer’s eye (there’s a very famous author named Natsume Soeseki). In context, the one girl is calling to her friend (probably called Natsume) to go sit near her for the picnic.
According to Google, the main character is called Poyoko (ポヨコ).
I own the volume and use mokuro, so I can send any files necessary.
