# 獣の奏者 chapter 1, part 2 discussion
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**Created:** [February 29, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246 "2020-02-29T00:27:00Z")
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [February 29, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/1 "2020-02-29T00:27:00Z")
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## Chapter 1, Part 2: 蜂飼い、女王の飛翔
**Start Date:** February 29th
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### Author:  [@NicoleIsEnough](https://community.wanikani.com/u/NicoleIsEnough)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 10:13am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/2 "2020-03-01T10:13:26Z")
That was a quick read 😃
I have a question: This part uses エリンたち twice, but I don’t understand what it means as she is just alone? Here are the sentence parts in which it occurs:
。。。じっと立ちつくしている **エリンたち** の頭上を、。。。
**エリンたち** が近づくと、馬と山羊が、。。。
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### Author:  [@mrahhal](https://community.wanikani.com/u/mrahhal)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 10:14am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/3 "2020-03-01T10:14:54Z")
たち attaching to a name is used to refer to that person and the group that includes that person, contextually. In this case, it simply means “Erin and John”. The sentence focuses on the name that the たち is attached to, obviously (“ **Erin** and John”).
Edit: Oh, I noticed that you were saying she’s alone. But no she wasn’t, John was next to her in both times, right?
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### Author:  [@NicoleIsEnough](https://community.wanikani.com/u/NicoleIsEnough)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/4 "2020-03-01T10:21:20Z")
Oh yes, that makes sense, thank you! I was of the impression that she was rather on her own, especially in the second scene when she approaches the pasture, but now that I reread it, it starts with おじさんについて. So it all fits together neatly 🙂
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/5 "2020-03-01T22:14:03Z")
On page 101, the つく in 天をつく is 着く, right?
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### Author:  [@catbus](https://community.wanikani.com/u/catbus)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/6 "2020-03-01T22:35:28Z")
According to [goo](https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E5%A4%A9%E3%82%92%E8%A1%9D%E3%81%8F/#jn-152985) and [weblio](https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E5%A4%A9%E3%82%92%E8%A1%9D%E3%81%8F) it is 天を衝く.
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 1, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/7 "2020-03-01T23:18:32Z")
All the scenery talk is a bit rough so far. Gonna have to come back to this tomorrow since I’m just staring at the words at this point and not taking anything in.
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### Author:  [@Kyasurin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Kyasurin)
#### Post date: [March 4, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/8 "2020-03-04T14:30:02Z")
p96 (Aoitori bunka version) I looked up 鴨居（かもい)
障子や襖など、引き戸の上枠で、溝が彫られた部材のこと。
_(Totally not essential to the plot, I was just curious)_
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/9 "2020-03-06T01:17:12Z")
> [@seanblue](#):
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> All the scenery talk is a bit rough so far.
Okay, after that wasn’t too bad. Finished a bit late this week, but still on time.
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### Author:  [@Kyasurin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Kyasurin)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/10 "2020-03-06T07:39:32Z")
p102 (Aoitori bunka version)
I was curious about what the 突きあげ式の窓 in the 倉 might look like.
I’m thinking probably like these 突き上げ窓
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### Author:  [@elisac](https://community.wanikani.com/u/elisac)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2020, 1:51pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/11 "2020-03-06T13:51:11Z")
I’m a bit late this week…schools have closed in Italy and I have to restart a new routine 🤪
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/12 "2020-03-06T23:43:41Z")
> **Page 104**
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> 枝にとまってしまえば、半日ぐらいは、まず動かない。急激な動きをする者が近寄らない限りはな。
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> Is the ば in とまってしまえば different from the conditional? He’s talking about what actually just happened and then describing what will happen next, so it being a conditional seems strange to me. Am I just overthinking it?
> **Page 106**
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> おじさんについて、家の西側にまわっていくと、厩と山羊の囲いがあった。
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> What is the purpose of について here over just は? I have a vague understanding that について means “regarding” or “about”, as in “regarding the おじさん”, but I don’t know why this would be used specifically for this sentence. I think it was used twice this chapter, though I don’t remember where the other usage was.
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### Author:  [@Kyasurin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Kyasurin)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 12:03am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/13 "2020-03-07T00:03:25Z")
p104 I think it is conditional, because he is talking about what would be expected to happen, under normal circumstances.
p106 It’s について meaning together with, from 付く
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/14 "2020-03-07T00:14:53Z")
> [@Kyasurin](#):
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> It’s について meaning together with, from 付く
Ah! That makes much more sense!
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### Author:  [@NicoleIsEnough](https://community.wanikani.com/u/NicoleIsEnough)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/15 "2020-03-07T01:56:00Z")
> [@seanblue](#):
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> He’s talking about what actually just happened
Is he, though? I think he says „When (or, more natural: Once) they have settled down on a twig, they won‘t move for about half a day.“ So in English I would also use a conditional, I guess.
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### Author:  [@seanblue](https://community.wanikani.com/u/seanblue)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/16 "2020-03-07T02:28:13Z")
Well, in that “when” case I’m used to seeing たら. Unless this is different for some reason.
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### Author:  [@mrahhal](https://community.wanikani.com/u/mrahhal)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 6:50am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/17 "2020-03-07T06:50:07Z")
I believe たら expresses more of one-off occurrences in such cases (unless if we’re talking about a habit, which たら can be used for). If it’s a general occurrence that happens constantly when the condition (especially non volitional conditions) applies, ば would be the way to go I think. “Once A happens to happen, B” as @NicoleIsEnough is best to describe this.
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### Author:  [@elisac](https://community.wanikani.com/u/elisac)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2020, 11:07pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/18 "2020-03-07T23:07:18Z")
I don’t get this sentence 🤪
べつに、生意気だとせめてるわけじゃないから、きにせんでいい。
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### Author:  [@valkow](https://community.wanikani.com/u/valkow)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2020, 3:03am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/19 "2020-03-08T03:03:39Z")
> **Summary**
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> 別に、生意気だと責めてるわけじゃないから、気にせんでいい。
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> 別に、 生意気だ と 責めている わけじゃない から、気にしなくていい。
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> xからy, something like – It’s not like I’m (particularly) criticizing you as being impertinent, so you don’t have to worry (about that).
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### Author:  [@elisac](https://community.wanikani.com/u/elisac)
#### Post date: [March 8, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E7%8D%A3%E3%81%AE%E5%A5%8F%E8%80%85-chapter-1-part-2-discussion/42246/20 "2020-03-08T22:18:35Z")
Thanks 😊 and I finally finished the chapter 🎉
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