本の読み方 スロー・リーディングの実践 | Week 9 📚

[pm215]

本の読み方 スロー・リーディングの実践 | Week 9

Week 9	4 Jan 2024
Sections to read	川端康成
End page	202
Pages	12
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[Belerith]

I took notes before reading the solution!

Summary

It’s either both 踊子 or first 私 for「さよならを言おうとした」 and 踊子 for「うなずいて見せた」

The rest I my thoughts as I read on.

I gathered from もういっぺん that the nodding was definitely her, but I didn’t get that that meant the other one had to be, too. It makes sense, since just looking at that second half of the sentence, the two actions seem to be running parallel/ are contrasted against each other.

I do think that the reason why this is easy to misread is that the pov is not consistent, for all that author of this book thinks a careful reader should be able to still come to the correct conclusion.

The letter from Mishio addressing this was interesting to read. Fun to see that the great authors are just a liable to faults and being overly critical of their own works.

Also nice to know Japanese people mix up the clues they (should apparently) get from が and は sometimes.

[pm215]

I did get the quiz right, but I had read a bit of this part ages back when some pages of it were posted to the Natively forum as part of a conversation there about a different “ambiguous subject” sentence in another novel, so it doesn’t really count.

If you know you need to think about the subject then the もういっぺん is definitely a cue to flip back a page and check who was nodding earlier. But would I have even realised I ought to do that if I hadn’t been asked the question in advance?

[StarlitGlitch]

I forgot to mention in week 8, but through being a good reader like the author asked and checking words in my dictionary app I have reached the copy limit for this book on Kindle lol

When I first read about 言おうとした I thought it was the narrator, but like others here once I saw もういっぺん I realized it was about 踊り子. I re-read through a few times and assumed if they were wording it as “was about to say goodbye but then just nodded again” that this wouldn’t make sense for it to be two different people. So I was able to get it right but if I wasn’t reading carefully I may have messed up.

I like the snippet from 川端康成さん basically going “of course it was 踊り子 you POSes” (okay I admit that wasn’t his exact wording but I think it captures the essence lol)

I have have much to practice with は vs が… I remember studying for N1 and the materials going over more differences, thinking “how can there be more intricacies!?”

Edit: I realized I hadn’t finished the reading yet. When it got to the part going over 言おうとした I realized that was something I was confused on too, since it’s first-person at first I thought that must be describing the narrator but let it go since overall it being the narrator wouldn’t have made sense