I do have something in mind for エス and エム but…
It’s equal to S, M, and L for sizes.
So they might say:
エスの コーラと エムの ポテトを おねがいします。
Please give me a small cola and medium fries.
Here’s the link, but I think you have to create a free account to view it.
Oh interesting, thanks. I think I’ve only ever seen 大、中、小 (だい、ちゅう、しょう) for sizes so far.
It’s been a while, though…
I’m about to finish N5 grammar on your website, i don’t follow the learning path but take lessons from the external resources you provide on each lesson. I’m curious about my progress, by finishing N5 grammars does that mean I can understand a certain type of written Japanese? Maybe 4th grade school or something?
Basically I’m hoping for something like this
I agree that I would def love this kind of chart But to answer your question, N5 is probably preschool at most? And even then, they probably know more at that age. Children’s books should be more approachable though. N4 is where things start to pick up, and you can move on to things like NHK Easy, manga, more advanced children’s books, etc. But unfortunately you can’t really do too much at N5 ;;
If it helps, try to compare it with the English translations and how much native English speaking children know.
Then what JLPT level you would consider normal Japanese? Or are all five required (all grammars used all the time) unlike the kanji?
By “normal” do you mean fluent? Because the answer is none. Even at N1, you’re not at a perfect fluency/native level. You can certainly do a lot and get by easily, but there are nuances and other little things that the test just doesn’t cover.
I didn’t mean fluent, but your answer says a lot. I can see the “whole picture” a bit clearer now, and boy is it a big one
Thank you conan
The truth is a lot to take in x’D You might find this helpful too:
Gives you a bit more to compare what you can do at what level.
You probably can’t compare learners to native children at all. An elementary school kid probably knows complex grammar but not that much complex vocabulary. A learner is likely to learn complex words sooner (because as adults we already understand complex words and topics in another language), even If their grammar is not that strong.
It’s not perfect, but it gives you some level of scale at least. I know people tend to have issues with native vs learner and how you shouldn’t compare, but it gives you a place to start. It won’t be one-to-one, but it lets you know about where you stand. (Sorry, just a nit-pick with me. If you’re mindful of the differences, I don’t think comparing is necessarily wrong.)
And I was more comparing grammatically, since like you said, vocab will be entirely different. (And OP mentioned N5 specifically, so I was addressing that.) Children also tend to have a different slang when it comes to vocab/grammar than adults, so that’s something to be mindful of too.
You rock! Keep up the good work.
This is a great question and a little bit more difficult to answer for grammar than for vocabulary or kanji. With grammar, you begin to develop the ability to connect the vocabulary/verbs that you have learned and gain an understanding of different nuances within different contexts. We will look into it a little more and see if we cannot draw up a chart that might give you a better idea of what kind of content matches your level. For the time being, as cliche as it might be to say, just consuming as much Japanese content that you can find around your Japanese level or a little higher is the quickest route to achieving your language goals. Have you tried reading Japanese News Web Easy or any guided readers? Cheers!
Update! - February 18, 2019
N2 Lesson 7 now has 12 sentences and 12 review questions!
What I would say is that if you finish the N5 grammar then you can start to understand a certain range of written Japanese. Parsing sentences takes experience and practice. There’s an almost limitless set of grammatical combinations and it takes exposure and work to develop fluency. I’m a long way from this but I’m better than I was before.
Just want to let you know that, though they do look at this forum, they probably respond quicker to the Bug Reports thread on BP’s own forum: https://community.bunpro.jp/t/feedback-bug-reports/130/719
Update! - February 22, 2019
N2 Lesson 8 now has 12 sentences and 12 review questions!
What has higher priority, adding the future grammar points to the existing sections, or adding items to N1? Just curious.