怪人二十面相 🦹 (Intermediate Book Club) [ongoing, week 2/15]

It is a bit off putting that it’s that old (happy 90th birthday soon!), but I also don’t remember it being an issue :slight_smile: happy to have you with us :grin:

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The key is to not know Japanese well enough to find the old Japanese any more confusing than modern Japanese :thinking:

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Audio book is also free on kikubon!

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Nice thanks. Adding to the first post.
I’m also planning on looking at a schedule soon:tm:, probably will post something this weekend :slight_smile:

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Alright, time to talk about the schedule!

Here’s how I looked at it:
This book has nice short chapters so we won’t need to be cutting chapters.
I don’t have a version with pages so I went with character count.
I used as a reference あなたも殺人になれる!, a previous IBC. We had read it in 16 weeks, average was 16 pages per week, around 4/5k char per week (total was 69.000 char).
This book is a bit longer, 91.000 char, so would make sense with 18 weeks.

Here is the book structure
# chapter name length week
1 はしがき 1099 1
2 鉄の罠 2916
3 人か魔か 4504 2
4 魔法使い 2033 3
5 池の中 2501
6 樹上の怪人 1898 4
7 壮二君の行方 2252
8 少年探偵 3319 5
9 仏像の奇蹟 3120
10 陥穽 2848 6
11 七つ道具 2326
12 伝書鳩 2684 7
13 奇妙な取引 1545
14 小林少年の勝利 2221 8
15 恐ろしき挑戦状 3627
16 美術城 3156 9
17 名探偵明智小五郎 1692
18 不安の一夜 3129 10
19 悪魔の智恵 3533
20 巨人と怪人 4884 11
21 トランクとエレベーター 5699 12
22 二十面相の逮捕 2820 13
23 『わしが本物じゃ。』 2195
24 二十面相の新弟子 3586 14
25 名探偵の危急 2146 15
26 怪盗の巣窟 3290
27 少年探偵団 2637 16
28 午後四時 2713
29 名探偵の狼藉 2641 17
30 種明し 3202
31 怪盗捕縛 5158 18

And here is the proposed schedule:

week date chapters length in char
1 3 Jan 1+2 4015
2 10 Jan 3 4504
3 17 Jan 4+5 4534
4 24 Jan 6+7 4150
5 31 Jan 8+9 6439
6 7 Feb 10+11 5174
7 14 Feb 12+13 4229
8 21 Feb 14+15 5848
9 28 Feb 16+17 4848
10 7 Mar 18+19 6662
11 14 Mar 20 4884
12 21 Mar 21 5699
13 28 Mar 22+23 5015
14 4 Apr 24 3586
15 11 Apr 25+26 5436
16 18 Apr 27+28 5350
17 25 Apr 29+30 5843
18 2 May 31 5158

What do you think?

  • Schedule approved
  • I have some comments
0 voters
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I will read the book on kindle, so I converted the schedule into kindle locations.

The average number of locations per week is 143, compared to

154 for あなたも殺人犯になれる!
171 for お探し物は図書室まで
189 for スリ

So the schedule looks good.

BTW: The audio playlist has divided the book into 15 episodes. I didn’t check how they match with the chapters - did you?

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Thanks for checking!
No I haven’t checked out the playlist. That could be a way to divide it too, it does say in the description which chapters she reads.
It’s a bit faster, 15 weeks, and video length vary from 16 min to 36 minutes.

Please vote again :slight_smile: anonymous poll this time

  • I prefer the 18 week schedule but I’m OK with 15
  • I prefer the 18 week schedule, the 15 week schedule is too fast for me
  • I prefer the 15 week schedule
  • No opinion / other
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Probably my own fault because of the way I formulated the poll, but now I’m not sure how to read the result :sweat_smile:
More people would prefer to keep the 18 week schedule than the 15 week schedule, but all those people would be OK with 15 weeks → so we go for the 15 week schedule? :thinking:

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I gotchu:

Did Akashelia interpret the poll correctly?
  • Yes
  • No
  • Maybe
  • I don’t think she did but I’m ok with the results
  • I think she did but I’m not ok with the results
0 voters
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No one said 15 weeks is too fast, so I think we’re safe for that.

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Ah right, that helped a lot :joy:
Conspiracy theory or… :thinking:

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Tbh, I initially voted yes, but saw that everyone else had voted maybe, so even I started second guessing myself and changed my vote :rofl:

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What does the schedule look like as 15 weeks?
@2000kanji I am also reading on kindle!

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Here is the 15 week schedule (aligned with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWafsCp4weM&list=PLnvy91wucEcl_6n1AZq0ultWJOlos0OOg )

I wrote a “diff” where the weeks are different from the 18 week schedule.
Week 9 and 11 in particular are longer than what we had in the other schedule, otherwise it’s pretty similar.

week date chapters length in char different?
1 3 Jan 1+2 4015
2 10 Jan 3+4 6537 diff
3 17 Jan 5+6+7 6651 diff
4 24 Jan 8+9 6439
5 31 Jan 10+11 5174
6 7 Feb 12+13+14 6450 diff
7 14 Feb 15+16 6783 diff
8 21 Feb 17+18 4821 diff
9 28 Feb 19+20 8417 diff
10 7 Mar 21 5699
11 14 Mar 22+23+24 8601 diff
12 21 Mar 25+26 5436
13 28 Mar 27+28 5350
14 4 Apr 29+30 5843
15 11 Apr 31 5158
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I can imagine you feel a bit like you’re shouting into the void (because the maybes poll was genuinely funny I just piled on :sweat_smile:) so I’ll say what my votes really mean :slight_smile:

What was impressive about the 18 week schedule was how even the character count was across the whole club while keeping chapter related threads, hence my preference. Also, I don’t know how active first time clubbers are in these pre-emptive polls, so I wanted to give a slight preference to something more doable for those people who might not be voting but still attempt to join for their first IBC.

I personally didn’t see a reason to sync the reading schedule to the youtube recordings since a) I wouldn’t listen to it all at once anyways and b) someone posted a link to a free audiobook that goes by chapter that I’d rather use and that fits with either schedule. So for all that, the 15 week schedule to me is essentially just a vote to run the club a bit faster.

It doesn’t look like you’ll get a mutiny either way, and my final observation is that it will be the minority of people who join and stick exactly to the schedule. A lot will zoom forward and finish it, and another lot will fall off due to irl events etc. Perhaps that is another reason there aren’t hugely passionate thoughts on this!

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I did not vote but I want to try out this book as the first IBC book! So personally I would prefer the 18 weeks schedule. However if the majority wants the 15 then ofc pick that

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@Akashelia I am sorry to have started this discussion about the schedule by mentioning the partitioning of the youtube file. I didn’t mean to question your schedule and I’m fine with either of the proposed schedules.

@Jalanib Here is the 15-week schedule in kindle locations:

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My opinion on schedule lengths is that for entry-level book clubs, it’s good to go with the longer schedule so beginner readers don’t feel left behind. Stronger readers will probably read ahead anyways, so I think it’s better to weight the schedule for the benefit of first-time novel readers!

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What irritates me a bit is that the 15-week schedule is rather uneven, alternating between 5k and 8k weeks (which is quite a significant difference). Is there a way to even this out a little bit? If not, maybe the 18-week schedule is more welcoming to learners who are not as advanced?

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Counterpoint: I prefer uneven weeks if it means that we land on chapter boundaries…

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