合図 reading mnemonic

The level 14 合図 reading mnemonic states that I already know the kunyomi of 合 but in fact in previous levels only the あ reading is taught in 合う.

The same this happens at the same level for 具合 and 試合.

Meanwhile, still at level 14, 場合 does give the “eye” mnemonic, but of course you’re not guaranteed to get that word first.

Since 場合 only contains kanji introduced in previous levels (8 and 12 respectively) maybe it was meant to be included in level 12 or 13 instead?

Not getting a mnemonic for a new word is not the end of the world but getting told that I “already know it” confused me.

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There are two possible explanations: 1) you’re using a script that changes the ordering of lessons that might affect this; 2) the WK team has moved around the items during updates and now the wrong item has the explanation mnemonic.

@mods maybe have a look at this one? :slight_smile:

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This might not be a satisfactory answer for some people, but I consider learning 合う to be enough to know that 合 can be read as あい. In compounds, verbs often use the stem, and also there are many cases where okurigana gets merged into the kanji.

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I started learning kanji one and a half yeas ago. And made a huge pause about 8-9 months. Then I continued studying I found that some of level 1-5 kanji and radicals are now at levels 40+. And are marked as burned. I don’t know why this happens but sometimes they rearrange kanji to other levels.

True, but those aren’t techically true kun’yomi, just abbreviations. In this case, あい is a kun’yomi of 合.

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I am using a script but Wanikani also supports shuffling the lesson order by default so I think that could occur with 100% stock WK.

I guess but the fact that there’s no okurigana doesn’t make the additional い reading intuitive at all, at least to me.

Again, it’s not a big deal at all, I was just confused for a minute because I thought I had forgotten about a vocabulary entry using the あい reading.

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Hey ekg! Thanks for the ping. I’ll ping @simias here too!

For the あい reading of 合, you learn the mnemonic when you learn 場合, and it is set to appear long before 合図, 試合, and 具合 in the default WK order. My guess is that it was the user script that was the culprit.

-Nick at WK

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But wakinani can be configured to shuffle the lessons too, doesn’t it?

Anyway, I can live with that, I just thought it was odd.

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Aye, how long is “long before”? They’re both level 14, so I’d hesitate to call that “long before” even if one is the first vocab item learnt in the level and the other is the last.

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Japanese people would definitely be a bit puzzled by the confusion, since stem forms are quite common as potential kunyomi readings for kanji (meaning, they’d think if someone knows 合う, it would be natural for them to try あい as a reading), but it just shows that WK’s method only takes us so far.

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Hey Belthazar! Ha, you’re right, maybe ‘long before’ isn’t the best word for it, but 場合 appears around ~60 vocabulary words before 試合 in the default order and in the vertical list I was looking at, the gap looked quite long lol.

Yes @simias, I believe shuffling the lessons could cause this issue to occur which is why we recommend the default order ‘Ascending Level then Subject’ to be the best learning experience.

-Nick at WK

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That’s good to know! I’ll keep an eye out for it.

Got it, thank you for the precisions!

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