可愛いだけじゃない式守さん・ Shikimori's Not Just a Cutie ❤️‍🩹 (Absolute Beginner Book Club) - On Week 12!

51 hours and 7 days?* :grin:

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Right, it’s only the 6th :sweat_smile: i need to sleep

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Is it cheating if I already have gone over the manga myself? I think I’m overly excited :sweat: Also, I’m making Anki for all the words that I don’t recognize. Close to 300 :scream:

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No, that’s about the usual book club spirit after a while.

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If that’s an overwhelming amount, try to factor frequency into it by focusing on the highest-frequency words for the volume.

If you learn the 108 highest-frequency words, that accounts for about half of the overall words used in the volume.

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That’s a useful resource. Looks like I only about 42% of the words based on that. :sweat_drops:

Hooray for new vocabulary!

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Wow, I love this website! What a great resource. When I was making the Anki deck, I realized that most of the vocabs are covered in N4! I can’t wait till I master all of my N4 vocabs so that I can read more mangas! I’ll share my Anki deck here later if anyone’s interested.

This is going to be my first time joining the book club officially. When I was making the Anki deck and looking back at the manga, some words actually stuck! That feeling when you know you’ve just learned something new and it actually stays. It’s like getting a POWER UP. :partying_face: Hehehe.

Thank you again for sharing resources and creating this book club!

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I love these things haha

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Seems that I also know about that much :laughing: 頑張りましょう!

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As I imagine you’re aware from past language-learning experience, first starting to read native material (or to read it in a new medium from what you’re used to) can be difficult to start. Especially if this is your first foray into a non-Western language.

For first-time and other absolute beginner readers, don’t worry too much about not knowing enough vocabulary. Yes, the more words you know, the easier it is to read. But with our vocabulary list, you can focus a bit on the grammar, and the meaning and nuance it’s contributing to those words. (Still aim to learn those high-frequency words, though!)

My favorite thing about learning new vocabulary is how often I see it in a manga I’m reading. Especially once I reached the point where I could comfortably read through multiple series each week, I’d learn a new word from one manga, and then I’d soon encounter it in another series I was reading.

That, and I always like the feeling that increasing my known vocabulary when reading one series will increase my known vocabulary for other series I plan on reading.

Speaking of learning vocabulary, for anyone who goes the SRS route to try and learn the vocabulary from the first volume of Shikimori, my number one advice is: don’t worry if there’s a word that you can’t learn.

Anki has a “leech” feature that auto-suspends cards that you fail enough times. This is a useful feature because by removing the words you struggle with, you can focus on the ones you can learn.

I believe that the fewer words you know, the better it is to focus your vocabulary-learning time on the quantity of words learned, so long as they are words you are likely to encounter in what you’ll be reading.

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I’ll be jumping in this pretty much with very little grammar experience. Any recommendations on on some key principals I should atleast brush up on so I’m not completely lost? I am going into this fully expecting to be confused, but any tips to ease the transition would be awesome

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If very little is basically none, then skimming through a grammar resource to at least have a rough list of things would be wise. Stuff like having a quick glance through Tae Kim’s grammar guide, or watching the Cure Dolly videos or whatever of that caliber would already be a huge step forward.

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My recommendation is:

They’re not for everyone, but many people highly recommend Cure Dolly’s subtitled Japanese From Scratch video series.

Each video is typically 15 minutes long if I remember right.

Time allowing, you could easily get through one video a day, double that on weekends, and that’d give you a good foundation by the time the club starts. (Post-club-start, I’d recommend to keep going with at least one video every Saturday and Sunday, more if you have time in the week.)

Regardless of whether you watch her videos, or read through Tae Kim’s guide, or any other grammar source, the most important thing not understanding the grammar but rather being exposed to it. If you encounter unknown grammar when reading and think, “I remember hearing about this before,” it’ll be that much easier to learn it when you review the lesson or ask about it here on the forums during the club.

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This was the resource that basically stuck for me in the end, and I have tried running through genki, Tae Kim’s guide, bunpro, etc etc. It’s a very good starting point that you can expand on by actually consuming content afterwards, like reading.

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I’ll give cure dolly a go and see how well that nets me. Thanks guys!

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People often disable this because they don’t like to fail words or something, but honestly, if a card is dropping into leech that’s all the better imho. You can just re-add it again later when you encounter it in some other hopefully more memorable context.

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The first manga I read in Japanese, I vowed to learn every single word in it. To that end, I disabled leech suspends.

I wasted so much time repeatedly reviewing words that I couldn’t “get” and that only appeared one time in the whole volume.

I offer the wisdom of my experience in making mistakes for the benefit of others!

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the only thing i disable suspends on are grammar rules and names

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I’ve given up on learning names. Either I learn them through reading, or I don’t learn them.

And then I wonder who a character is talking about because I don’t have any idea whose name that is…

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Indeed. I remember my very first attempt to move to intermediate in another language was like hitting a brick wall because I only knew about 20% of the vocabulary and I had only really read super basic things prior to that point. I then later learned about graded readers and intensive versus extensive reading and found that my personal “nope” threshold for solo reading is typically around knowing less than 60% (aka having to look up 2 out of every 5 words).

However, as you mentioned, having a word list and so many people here willing to help makes a massive difference, so it’s not something to worry about here. I also imagine that the additional context provided by the pictures and relatively low text density, since it’s manga after all, will make make it much more palatable for lower percentages of vocab knowledge.

It’s kind of amazing how that tends to work! I can’t even begin to say how many I’ve learned a new word and then started seeing it everywhere and wondered how I had managed to make it that long without ever knowing / seeing it.

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