Oops, I should have known I’d miss something. Thanks for letting me know! I’ll get that fixed right now.
I just want to thank all the people who answer questions in this book club. This is probably the fifth or sixth time I have tried to read native material, but I always did it on my own and gave up after a couple of pages.
I managed to make it through five pages of Chapter 3 before turning to the forums for help this week. It is because the kind people who can read and understand better than I, but take the time to post here. It is greatly appreciated.
@ChristopherFritz - the sudden (but inevitable) appearance of Omicron means work has got me pinned down at the moment, so I’m running a little (a lot) behind. Hope I can catch up with the rest of you soon.
The good news about playing catch-up is all the existing discussion, so if you get stuck on a line, chances it’s already been talked about and you can keep going =D
That reminds me, I’ve gotta go get caught up on a couple of book clubs…
Speaking of other book clubs, I found this link that you posted in another book club: Japanese Slang 101 That Will Make You Sound Like a Local - Kawa Kawa Learning Studio to be super helpful for me in this one as well. It talks about a lot of the contractions or changing of vowel sounds that occur in everyday speech (so they are common in manga dialogue).
For some one like me really trying to read native material the first time, I am start to pick up of these things as we go through the book, but in the first couple chapters it is really easy to get lost because of how informally people talk in the book vs the more polite speech taught in Genki and the like.
How are you all liking the manga so far? I’m about to start the final volume of ひとりぼっちの〇〇生活 (one of my favorite manga) by the same author. Part of me wants to think I’d like 三ツ星カラーズ since it’s by the same author, but the previews give a very different vibe, so I’m unsure.
My unhelpful comparison point of view.
Keeping in mind I’ve only read volume one of ぼっち, I’d say the two series are different enough that being by the same mangaka doesn’t mean anything. Sort of like going from Azumanga Daioh to Yotsuba (if you’ve read those).
|Characters||Larger, varied cast.||Smaller, simple cast.|
|Story||(I assume) overall story that steadily moves forward.||Random event with no overall plot.|
|Humor||Packed with punchlines (one every four panels).||Slow-paced with more childish humor spread out.|
|Art||Simple, basic backgrounds.||Ueno, Ueno, and more Ueno|
Aside from that, I nominated it, so I’m biased toward it =D
I do think the whole first volume is enough to get a good feel for if you’d like it. I’d say the first three chapters may tell someone is they’re not interested in reading the series, but a few more chapters may be necessary to determine if you are interested.
Thanks for sharing! I have my own biases as well. Specifically, I really like the 4-koma format for comedy manga, so that’s a point against 三ツ星カラーズ for me!
In case you’re curious, the story does indeed move forward. Though it’s still primarily focused on the comedy.
I definitely noticed the childish humor on the Amazon preview, which is not really my thing. Would you say the majority of the jokes are based on childish humor?
A lot of the humor is based in the personalities of the main characters, and only one produces childish humor.
Overall, I’d say it comes to…maybe 10 to 20%? But also note that the format doesn’t require two punchlines per page, so the humor is more sparse.
The other two main characters provide dark humor and comedy duo straight man humor.
There’s more to the three of them than that for comedy, but that’s the basics.
4 panel comic manga?! News to me! Found a filtered listing of 4-こま manga and checked a few previews. Very interested. Thanks for the heads up!
Searching the forum doesn’t immediately reveal any 4-こま books having been elected for book clubs, could be missing it. Unless someone points it out to me I think I’ll just take the opposite approach as @seanblue and branch of into ひとりぼっちの〇〇生活.
So far I’m not very interested in the story, but I didn’t read all the current content yet. (I guess I’ll try to catch up later.)
I think as was said there is a lot of childish humour in it, which I think is cute, but well it’s just that: cute Not really anything to keep me hooked or interested.
@liveunderwater I’m currently reading a previous book from this book club which is 結婚しても恋してる. This is a 4 koma style book.
Edit: Ah it’s not really 4 koma but only short story remembered it wrong
Ahh, you ninja’d my “wth?”
We did read One Week Friends in the BBC, but only the first volume. It’s 4こま with “regular” manga portions mixed in. It was too dense for me to continue, especially when I had already read much of it in English not long before, but I may get back to it eventually.
I’d say カラーズ is sort of a “comical slice-of-life”. So, on one hand, you have to like slice-of-life. On the other hand, the comical portions may make it feel not enough like slice-of-life for those who do like the genre. (A double-edged sword?)
If I remember correctly, 一週間フレンズ is partially 4-koma. And also シメジシミュレーション is. Both of those were read in the beginner book club (though I didn’t read either of them).
In any case, ひとりぼっち is a great choice for a first 4-koma manga. It’s relatively easy (even considering the lack of furigana) and not very dense, but is still really funny and has great characters. I’m not sure how much the lack of kanji would hold back some people, but at level 51 on WaniKani that aspect shouldn’t be a problem for you.
Other than that, most of the 4-koma manga I read are from Manga Time Kirara. Specifically, my favorites are:
- ご注文はうさぎですか (all time favorite manga)
I’ve tried a few more too. Some I dropped because I didn’t like them. Another only has one volume so far, so not really worth mentioning. Even if some don’t land for me, Manga Time Kirara is the only magazine (really three magazines) that I specifically go to for recommendations.
If ひとりぼっち is really easy, maybe this could be suggested in the ABBC as a book?
I really like the author’s drawing style, since it’s very adorable, so I might be tempted to give ひとりぼっち a try!
Actually, yeah, I just gave the BookWalker preview of ひとりぼっち a run through and it seams pretty straight-forward.
Thank you very much for your additional recommendations (and a reminder to use MD from time to time)
Has ABBC ever read a book with regular kanji usage and no furigana? I suspect it would be better for BBC than ABBC for that reason alone. But ultimately you guys would know better than me.
I’ve only been around for a couple of picks here, but if there is no furigana, I would agree that it would be a better fit for BBC. I think the lack of furigana is a bit too intimidating for those just starting out in reading. It just adds another layer of difficulty to something that is already fairly difficult (given how many folks join these clubs with reading experience mostly limited to guided experiences like graded readers and textbooks, which don’t really cover casual speech and the like all that well). I can certainly say that I would never have joined a club reading a manga with no furigana as my first pick when starting out.
As it is, as much as I am enjoying this manga, I think it occasionally borders on too difficult for ABBC here and there (though it’s also a bit too easy for BBC, or at least, compared to the current pick, so I totally understand why it landed here). If the other manga is by the same author as this one, and is lacking in furigana, I think that would pretty firmly push it into BBC territory.
I’m not around for a lot of picks either, but I agree with @MrGeneric that the lack of furigana would be probably too intimidating.
There was also a recent discussion that manga usually don’t get picked in the BBC (I sort of remember reading this somewhere?). So I guess the chance that it will ever get picked are slim. Too bad then.
I’ll put it on my to read list though!