三ツ星カラーズ — Week 2 Discussion (ABBC)

It’s so hard having all the shops closed on Google Map images, but it’s this place. You’re right that the one in the manga is fictional, but it’s in place of (and somewhat based on) an actual gift shop. We’ll see the resemblance a bit later on.

Thanks for pinpointing the locations =D

Not guilty! But I agree that 捜索 is what she intended to say.

A picture is worth a thousand words. I’m amazed I was able to shorten all those panels as much as I did.

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Yeah, occurs to me I could have checked further on first. Or the anime. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Page 11, panel 6

私は元からこうなの!

is こうな === こんな ?

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It’s こう+なの.

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:blush: oops nevermind

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Page 11, Panel 6

余計にダメじゃん!

It is possible to explain how 余計 was translated to ‘even more’.

When I looked it up on jotoba I saw the initial definitions and picked ‘excessive’ - leading to a mistranslation.

(Yes it’s on the vocab sheet…)

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If you look at 余計 on jisho you’ll see “even more” in definition 3. But even looking at the main meaning, it’s not a long way from “in excess” to “even more”.

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So, if you are wanting to know why I used the “even more” definition over the “excessive” definition, (as opposed to just accepting it at face value), it’s because there is a に attached to the word. When there is a に attached to a な adjective, it becomes an adverb. If you notice the definitions listed on jotoba, the third definition describes it as an adverb, as opposed to an adjective like the other definitions listed. Thus, “even more” is the best definition, given the context.

But you can also just think of it as adding an -ly to the word, as we would do in English, changing it from “excessive” (adjective) to “excessively” (adverb). With that interpretation, you still get “(That’s) excessively not good, isn’t it!?” , which would still be the same overall meaning, because I would still simplify that to “worse,” as I did with the other interpretation.

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@MrGeneric kindly noted the ないで part at the end of the sentence, but my two cents for what they’re worth (i.e. nothing) is that I also agree with the second part of your translation (“私は元からこうなの”, “I was like this from the beginning / I’ve always been like this.”).

I actually thought this exchange might have had a play on words baked into it through “歪みすぎだよ!”, on the one reading this is saying that " (someone) has an excessively warped personality", but perhaps it is not too much of a reach to also read it in parallel as "You are applying too much distortion (to me) / i.e. You are bending me out of shape ".

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Page 13, panel 2

この子の盗んだ商品がアジトにあってね

Could you help with the last verb

‘This kid’s stolen merchanise at/in hideout’

not sure about the ending, is it the te form of aru (to have) - in which case why the te form

is it anything to do with te form conjunctive

thanks

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Yes to all of it. This phrase is the basis of Kotoha’s reasoning, and the te form connects it to what follows. Since the stolen goods were in the hideout, it follows that the cat lives there .

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Page 13 panel 4

俺に預けるとその猫はこの街にいられなくなるんだ

Again, verb woes

俺に預けると - leave it with me and
その猫はこの街に - that cat in this town
いられなくなる - cannot exist to become
んだ - annoying sentence ending thingies that I can never understand.

Please could you help with the ending of the sentence, thank you.

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The main verb here is なる. Something will become, or come to be. What will come to be? The fact that the cat won’t be able to be in this town.

Contraction of のだ. の takes everything that’s been said previously and turns it into a noun, a thing. You could see it as " the thing is that".

So, putting it all together, "If you leave the cat to me, the thing is that it will come to it not being able to be in this town. "

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Page 13, Panel 4

見たとこお前に懐いてるみたいだし悪さしないようしつけてやれ

I know it's be looked at once but had some questions

見たとこお前に - saw place you at/in/on - the place you were seen
懐いてるみたいだし - continuing state of to become attached + like/resembling + to be /is + and (trailing し)- it is like it’s becoming attached and…
悪さしないよう - not do mischief [task ? unsure about よう]
しつけてやれ - to train + やる imperative (must do) - must train

[seems] like it’s becoming attached to the place it saw you and [you must undertake the task] to train it not to do mischief

much clunkier than MrGeneric’s translation of "By the looks of it, it’s grown attached to you. Train it not to misbehave.”

what have I gotten wrong :upside_down_face:

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Incidentally the more I read/learn Japanese, the more impressed I am at how skilful translators are! Before I had just assumed that there is one-to-one mapping between phrases and words… but wow! so much nuance is involved. kudos!

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とこ is short for ところ. While this often just means “place”, it’s a very versatile word that features in many grammar points. It can mean place in space or time, literally or figuratively. Combined with a verb it can mean “in the process of doing” or “have just done” depending on the verb’s tense. (Bunpro Reference)
Now, “having just seen” is still a little hard to make sense of. Luckily 見たところ has its own Jisho entry, and is explained as “in appearance; to look at; judging from appearances”. Not that long a jump from “having just seen”.

お前に is better grouped with 懐いてる to give us the meaning “being attached to you”

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thank you, actually have done that bunpro lesson! thanks memory…

it might just be me but I find it incredibly difficult to attach a secondary meaning to something once I’ve learnt it a particular way initially.

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All Japanese grammar guides…

Parse Japanese sentences by looking at particles; を object, は topic, が subject etc etc

Manga be like

それに猫だってこの街の住人だろ

:rofl:

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Don’t worry about that, it gets easier with practice and frequent exposure.

Forgot to answer about the よう part. This is basically ように, with に again confusingly omitted. It can often be very simply translated as just “to”.

I definitely feel that manga are harder to parse than normal prose. The text density may make it look easier, and there are pictures to use as reference, but the writing is certainly full of traps for beginners, what with omissions, contractions, lack of punctuation, unfinished sentences, etc etc.

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Makes a lot more sense. Have been doing bunpro lessons on よう、ように、ような、みたい、みたいに、そう、そうに、そうな so everything is like to me at the moment!

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