ふらいんぐうぃっち Vol. 4 🧹

[denzo]

@Nenad

but as 纏まとめる. But none of the translations seem to quite fit here. I think the right translation would be “to form,” as in “form four equal patties” or something.

I agree with you, but I’m not sure why you think none of the translations fit. At least, to me they’re “close enough”.

@Nenad

魔女伝統のクッキーみたいなのとかあったりするの？

I’m not convinced you should be analysing this deeply. I think the clauses go something like this:
（魔女伝統の［【クッキーみたいなの】とか］あったり）するの？
As @NicoleRauch says, I think she’s just being really vague. I’m not even sure it’s meant to be humorous, since I’ve heard people say things like this in real life

Something like “Are there any traditional things like cookies or whatever that witches make or something?” I guess.

[Nenad]

@denzo

I agree with you, but I’m not sure why you think none of the translations fit. At least, to me they’re “close enough”.

I mean they are close enough, but the expression, from what I gather either means “all in one go,” or "all in one (piece),"and she’s not doing either. But yeah, it’s a nitpick.

@denzo

I’m not convinced you should be analysing this deeply. I think the clauses go something like this:
（魔女伝統の［【クッキーみたいなの】とか］あったり）するの？
As @NicoleRauch says, I think she’s just being really vague. I’m not even sure it’s meant to be humorous, since I’ve heard people say things like this in real life

Something like “Are there any traditional things like cookies or whatever that witches make or something?” I guess.

I’m mostly confused by the する – it means doing… doing what? What is it referring to? To making those sort of cookies…?

[denzo]

@Nenad

I mean they are close enough, but the expression, from what I gather either means “all in one go,” or "all in one (piece),"and she’s not doing either. But yeah, it’s nitpick.

To clarify, I agree that it’s probably the verb 纏まとめる in the て form, rather than the expression.

@Nenad

I’m mostly confused by the する – it means doing… doing what? What is it referring to? To making those sort of cookies…?

I don’t think it has any meaning here beyond colocating with the たり i.e. you have a する because it’s just “the verb you use after たり”.

[Nenad]

@denzo

I don’t think it has any meaning here beyond colocating with the たり i.e. you have a する because it’s just “the verb you use after たり”.

And I said that myself thank you for your patience with me

[denzo]

No problem. I often only realise I’ve completely misunderstood something because someone else asks a “stupid” question and forces me to think about it (or gets answered by someone who knows more)

[skymaiden]

A little bit late I think, but still on time!

Chapter 21: 魔女蜂合わず

2020-05-29T15:00:00Z

• I’m reading along
• I’ll catch up later (or soon)
• I’m dropping out

[NicoleRauch]

Heads-up for y‘all: In this chapter we meet another dialect-speaker. He gives a set of instructions that are not that easy to understand. But don’t despair: A few panels later, Kei repeats the instructions

At least in the beginning, what Kei says is a verbatim repetition, so you can even practice on the dialect

[ChristopherFritz]

@NicoleRauch

dialect-speaker

Worth knowing:
めごい：［形］（東北地方で）かわいい。いとしい。

[davids68]

This pretty much sums things up I’m sure I had an equally vacant look on my face while attempting to follow what he was telling them.

[NicoleRauch]

I did not want to give away too much in my post, but yes

[denzo]

It’s not too bad when you realise he’s mostly just voicing extra consonants.

That whole thing felt a bit 懐かしい. Really reminded me of how the old people in my mum’s hometown speak.

[NicoleRauch]

I read it in bed before going to sleep, so I did not put too much effort into it But yeah, I kinda made it halfway through his explanations without missing too much (thanks to the “Town beyond the Mist” dialect training ), but then it somehow slipped through my fingers and I got larger gaps in my understanding. Probably there were more words that I don’t know or something. Or maybe I just got too sleepy

[denzo]

Yeah, not already knowing words and it not using kanji definitely don’t help

Probably helps that I already knew what he was explaining as well…

[NicoleRauch]

@denzo

I already knew what he was explaining

Speaking of which: The whole chapter felt sooo familiar to me because I worked for a few days on a farm in Japan this last February! I did not prune apple blossoms but instead passionfruit plant tendrils (and picked up potatoes omg the back pain). That was my 懐かしい moment…

[davids68]

@denzo

Probably helps that I already knew what he was explaining as well…

Thanks @denzo and @NicoleRauch for your helpful comments. I finished my first read through the chapter last night. I usually do a quick read-through before going back and looking at some of the sections that tripped me up in more detail, so I will definitely be checking out the dialect again, now that I know what he’s saying.

Do you have any special tricks or approaches when tackling these sorts of things?

[Belthazar]

@denzo

It’s not too bad when you realise he’s mostly just voicing extra consonants.

Yeah, a lot of those Tohoku dialects seem to be like that.

[davids68]

Page 64, Panel 1
んだば おめだぢは このきがらやってけ。

Am I doing this right? Is this an appropriate translation to Tokyo dialect?
んでは、おめたちは、この木からやってけ。

[denzo]

@davids68

Do you have any special tricks or approaches when tackling these sorts of things?

Not thinking too hard about it if the other characters don’t understand anyway

1. Read it out loud.
2. Guess the particles from the sentence structure.
3. Don’t worry too much unusual strange word choice.

@davids68

んでは、おめたちは、この木からやってけ。

I think I’d go with では、お前たちはこの木からやっていけ for clarity.

Actually, I do have one question related to the dialect: How is んだはんで meant to be pronounced…I can’t work out if that’s a ha or a wa in the middle…

[davids68]

Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough reply. I’m happy I was on the right track with switching voiced/unvoiced consonants and somewhat-clumsily squishing the sentence into a recognisable form.

Reading Barakamon is on my bucket list, so becoming more familiar with reading dialect is a skill I’d like to improve.

[denzo]

@davids68

Reading Barakamon is on my bucket list, so becoming more familiar with reading dialect is a skill I’d like to improve.

The dialect in Barakamon looks a lot easier to read than this one. It’s also quite different so I’m not sure it’s worth putting off if that’s what’s holding you back.