なぜ?どうして?Currently reading pages 46 to 49


#1449

Page 31

Hello everyone, I’ve been following since the beginning but because I live in Seattle (aka, the butt-end of the world timeclock) I haven’t posted before since translations are always up by the time I get off work and check the forums. That said, hello, and thank you for everyone helping us new learners along with our Japanese practice. I do have a questions now though:

そのまま すてる ことは もちろん、ガムを 売る ことや、もっているのが、見つっただけでも、ばっ金を はらわなければ なりません.

It’s about “そのまま”/“sonomama”. I have always understood “まま” to mean something akin to the “current state” of something, so, in this sentence, is “そのまま” referring back to the previous statements about how you can get fined for having gum in Singapore? ie, “That being the case/Singapore having such strict laws, you can be fined not only for throwing out gum but simply for selling or having it, also?”

And if that is a fair translation, why is it reiterating having gum will incur a fine when it’s already established that? :confused: I just find this ordering of ideas to be odd. lol


#1450

Hello there!
Well I think it emphasizes the fine that you have to pay for spitting your gum and then it adds the occasions of selling it.

Hmm don’t forget this is a book for second graders. Maybe it’s just because of that? :smile:


#1451

I get it as a connector to keep talking about the same topic… like: Continuing, or keep going…


#1453

Page 32

I think that is a good translation, but I was wondering about the そう.

その 金がくは、なんと 日本円で およそ 八十万円も するそうです。

According to Bunpro, a verb followed by そうだ or そうです is a bit of N3 grammar and means “I heard that”, “It is said that”. So, how about:

“Apparently, this amount in Japanese yen is roughly 800,000 yen”.

Thoughts?


#1454

That sounds good to me. I might even add an exclamation point since it says 八十万円.


#1455

I didn’t know about that and I wasn’t sure how to translate it, but that sounds good to me! :slight_smile:


#1456

Page 32

Oh yes! I never even noticed that! ! A brand new one for me! Brilliant! Thank you!


#1457

Page 33

シンガポールは、ゴミのない きれいな 町として 有名ですが、こんな きびしい ルールで、それが まもられているのですね。

My poor stab at it:

シンガポールは、- Singapore + は
ゴミのない - no rubbish
きれいな - 1) beautiful 2) clean
町 - town / neighbourhoods / streets
として - for
有名です - famous
が、- but
こんな - such
きびしい - strict
ルール - rules
で、- by
それが - that / it
まもられている - 守る, to protect, in passive ている form
の - explanatory の
ですね - copula + ね

Singapore is famous for its clean streets without rubbish, but this is protected by strict rules.


#1458

Page 33

でん車の中で、なにかたべること。

Eating something in the train.

バスやでん車にドリアン(においの強いくだもの)をもちこむこと。

Carrying Dorian fruits in trains and buses (a fruit with a strong scent).

Is the food section going to be finally over???
I think I got 3 kilos just because of the food I ate while I was reading all of this.


#1459

Also according to Kenkyuusha dictionary, なんと can mean “believe it or not; to my surprise” (astonishment expression), eg その時部屋に入ってきたのはなんと私の妻であった “The woman who then entered the room was, believe it or not, my own wife!”
So it can be “Apparently, this amount in Japanese yen is roughly 800,000 yen, believe it or not!

p.s. whew, I managed to catch up!


#1460

Here it looks like “N1 はもちろん N2 も” pattern which means “not only N1, but also N2”:
mochiron_
So it can mean “You have to pay a fine not only for throwing away gum as it is (without wrapping it in paper like previous sentences suggest?), but also if you are just seen to have or sell chewing gum


#1461

Page 33, some repeated items on here for the pictures which I guess makes things a bit easier :stuck_out_tongue:

でん車の 中で、なにか 食べる こと。

Eating something inside the train.

バスや でん車に ドリアン (においの 強い くだもの) を もちこむ こと。

Bringing a durian (a potent smelling fruit) onto a bus or train.

シンガポールは、ゴミの ない きれいな 町として 有名ですが、こんな きびしい ルールで、それがまもられているのですね。

Singapore is famous for its clean streets without rubbish, such strict rules protect this.

でん車の 中で 食べる こと。

Eat on the train.

バスや でん車に ドリアンを もちこむ こと。

Bring a durian onto a bus or train.

水を ながさずに 公しゅうトイレを でる こと。

Leave a public toilet without flushing.


#1462

Page 32

Wow, that’s great! Thank you @twktg! And nice work on catching up too!


#1463

Page 31

Brilliant! Perfect! Thank you again @twktg!


#1464

In the middle of translating page 34 and I’m having a bit of trouble…

アヒルを やいて、かわを ねぎなどと いっしょに つつんで 食べる りょうりです。

So what I’m getting from this is that duck is roasted, and it’s a dish that is served with the skin of the duck (I think?) with “spring onions etc.” together. I’m a bit confused by つつんで which I think is to do with something being wrapped up or covered? I’m not sure what is being covered though :stuck_out_tongue: Or by what.

Then there’s:

中国や 日本の 春まきと ちがい、えびや 野さいを ライスペーパーに つつんで そのまま 食べます。

I really don’t know how to translate 春まき. Jisho is coming up with “sowing in spring” but I can’t see how that fits into this. I think the first part is saying that there’s a difference between the Chinese and Japanese spring roll compared to the Vietnamese one (ちがい)?

Any ideas? :slight_smile:


#1465

春 + 巻き = 春巻き

spring roll


#1466

Ah, lol, I feel pretty dumb now. :sweat_smile:


#1467

Yeah つつんで is the て form of 包む, meaning to wrap, so I think this means:

Unlike (differently to) to Chinese and Japanese spring rolls, shrimp and vegetables are wrapped in rice paper and eaten as is (i.e. raw).

Although seeing as や is used and not と, perhaps that should be:

Unlike, for example, Chinese and Japanese spring rolls…


#1468

Page 34

えびを つかって 作る、とても からくて すっぱい スープです

えびを - 海老 - prawn + を
つかって - 使う - to use - in て form, linking it with next verb
作る、- to make, to prepare (food)
とても - very
からくて - 辛い - からい - spicy
すっぱい - 酸っぱい - sour
スープ - soup
です - copula, roughly “is”

“[トムヤムクン] is a sour and very spicy soup made using prawns”

Question 1: Why does the verb “to make” end in the dictionary form in the middle of the sentence? Shouldn’t it be in the て form or something?
Question 2: And shouldn’t it be passive?
Question 3: the くて ending links the adjective “spicy” to the adjective “sour”, right? Like an “and”? Can someone confirm?

Thank you!


#1469

It’s modifying スープ. Like 走る男 is “a man who runs.” This is “a soup you make using shrimp.” You can stack those up as much as you want with other modifiers in between. They just put a comma after 作る to help with the flow of reading it a bit.

It could be, but it doesn’t have to be. In this case it just has an implied subject doing the making.

Yes.